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This seems highly unlikely to me. I have reactive hypoglycemia, and can say that potatoes spike my blood glucose levels more than table sugar - they have a rea
by GordonS 4y ago
This seems highly unlikely to me.
I have reactive hypoglycemia, and can say that potatoes spike my blood glucose levels more than table sugar - they have a really high glycemic index, and anyone with blood sugar issues should totally avoid them IMO.
And the thing about foods with a high glycemic index is that they cause you to feel hungry when your blood sugar rapidly drops back to baseline.
I find protein and fat way more satiating than, well, anything else. For example, eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time.
- ghostly_s 4y ago> eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. What a patently absurd claim. Your anecdata is not evidence.
- rockostrich 4y agoWhile anecdotal, it entirely depends on habits and context. If your usual breakfast is pretty big and you tried to switch then you'd definitely start to get pangs of hunger earlier than you usually would. But after a while, your body would adjust and you'd be fine for longer and longer (really until whenever you usually ate your next meal). It's the reason why intermittent fasting or "one-meal-a-day" sucks the first couple of weeks you try it. I'm not recommending one way or the other. Personally, I wouldn't eat just 2 eggs for breakfast because it sounds like a boring breakfast (at least throw it on some toast with some hot sauce). But it's certainly plausible that 2 eggs for breakfast would satiate most folks after they got through the initial growing pains.
- stevage 4y agoHow would you get through the initial pains? Hunger is absolutely intolerable for me. When I go out for breakfast I will often have two eggs...and a couple of big pieces of toast, mushrooms, hash browns, spinach etc. I have great difficulty believing that two eggs alone would be sufficient.
- jamiek88 4y agoIt’s so weird how different we can be. I pretty much never get hungry. I eat because I’d die and I can only enjoy food having consumed massive doses of thc. I wish Soylent was more trustworthy or the jetsons pill was real. It means I can lose weight very easily but combined with severe adhd before I was married I was often in trouble and hospitalized a couple times. Now my wife keeps an eye on me to make sure I eat at least dinner, and Apple Watch reminds me to eat and drink during the work day.
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- scoot 4y agoHave you looked at Huel as an alternative to Soylent? It mostly seems to live up to its claims.
- nicoburns 4y agoI will sometimes eat that much when I go out for breakfast too, and yet I often skip breakfast entirely. The body is quite tolerant of different eating patterns.
- tharkun__ 4y agoNot OP. That said, I would've believed you a few years ago, when my body and gut flora were out of whack. Totally impossible. Just two eggs? Never! Fast forward to today and while I would agree that just two eggs would be boring, add in two slices of bacon to cook the eggs in as well as some nice cheese, scramble it all and there's the lunch I'll have after not having had any breakfast at all and having had that, I probably won't be hungry again until way past previous dinner times. This is after getting my gut back in order, away from craving sugary meal after sugary meal after carb/sugary meal to not having more than 20g of carbs per day (i.e. what they call "Keto diet"). I totally eat carbs again nowadays but usually eat no breakfast and eat way less carbs than I used to. One thing I noticed is that having a "low fat meal" for breakfast (e.g. white toast w/ just jam) means I am usually hungry again before lunch already. What helped on Keto was basically just eating whenever I was "hungry" but just not eating anything with carbs. I used cheese for it. Whenever I "got an appetite", eat some slices of cheese. No counting of calories. Feel "hungry"? Eat cheese! Lost lots of weight after a short period of time on that. The cravings just went away. It's amazing how little calories you actually get from all that fat and protein but it fills you right up. Of course this only works well if you have some fat to burn (my totally non-scientific reasoning is that your body just figures out that it doesn't have to make you find food and can just use the stores. Which means you better have those fat stores on you and please do make sure to eat enough veggies and nuts for your vitamins and minerals - you get the 20g of carbs just incidentally from the veggies, so definitely nothing with flour will go in you) I don't do Keto any longer and I can now maintain weight instead of loosing it :)
- jethro_tell 4y agoI think it also depends on what you do in a day if you're sitting in front of a computer you bet 150 calories can work, if you're actually doing physical work something like that would likely be brutal. The big breakfast is called a farmers mreakfat for a reason.
- wrycoder 4y agoI eat only two eggs plus three strips of bacon for breakfast, and I’m good for six hours. No toast or juice.
- jaggederest 4y agoI also have reactive hypoglycemia and I tried the potato diet out and had zero crashes the entire time. It's just not possible (for me) to eat enough calories, quickly enough, to cause a crash. I was only on it for a few days (~5), precisely for the logistic issues that the article and the original diet post discuss - I couldn't cook and eat enough calories to not be absolutely starving after the first couple days. But zero crashes, monitored by finger stick blood glucose. Crazy stuff, for someone who has them all the time.
- rubicon33 4y agoIs a food coma / crash always the result of a blood sugar spike? I've never seen any literature supporting that the feeling of tiredness and fatigue after a meal is the direct result of blood sugar levels. Mostly what I've seen is just conjecture online, and correlational anecdotes about eating high glycemic index foods and feeling tired. Not discounting people's experiences, but trying to suss out the science here. If you were, for example, to inject sugar directly into someone's blood stream would the result be fatigue every time? It seems to me that there's more involved in this. In my experience (more anecdata!) I'm able to eat anything in the morning. Giant bolus of carbs and sugar, and I feel great. That same meal in the afternoon will give me such a fatigue that I need to lay down. Clearly there's some other factor at play for me in the function whos result is fatigue. FATIGUE_LEVEL = CARB_GRAMS * (HOUR_OF_DAY / 24)
- jaggederest 4y agoWell, for me, I've been monitoring my blood sugar intensively for a while. I started when I worked for a nutrition and glucose monitoring company (as a test!), found out I had really anomalous blood sugar dips, and confirmed it with finger stick and another blood sugar monitor. So for me, the answer is, yes, the "sugar crash" postprandial is actually a dip in blood sugar - not to a hazardous level (e.g. passing out or seizure) but to a very uncomfortable level, with epinephrine and the shakes. (mine has gone down to 45mg/dl at worst) For many people, it may not be, I can only speak for myself. There's another thing, called 'idiopathic postprandial syndrome' which is essentially the symptoms above, but without actual low blood sugar (<60mg/dl), which some people think is another form of insulin resistance, where your blood sugar is normal but your body "wants" more sugar in the blood. Talking with endocrinologist, they say that the insulin sensitivity for most people is much higher in the AM and daytime than at night, so it makes sense that you might have more problems in the afternoon, but you should probably talk to a doctor rather than taking my word for it! It's often difficult (in the US at least) to get primary care and endocrinologists to take you seriously if you are not actually dying of diabetes or passing out from low blood sugar - this is where dipping into the realm of concierge medicine can be helpful, or at least, it has been for me. They are often much more willing to investigate thoroughly.
- rolisz 4y ago> eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. I usually eat 3 scrambled eggs when I have them for breakfast. Lunch can't come soon enough afterwards. I think my record is 7 scrambled eggs. I'm sure I had normal lunch that day.
- rubicon33 4y agoEat 1 cup organic whole oats, half cup of milk, 4 diced strawberries, and 1 tablespoon of brown sugar. Should be good until 2-3 in the afternoon, at least in my experience.
- LegitShady 4y ago1 cup oats, 1 cup skim 1% milk, strawberries, mix that in a container uncooked the night before/eat the next day. Overnight oats are great.
- rubicon33 4y agoOooo I'm going to do this! Saves time in the AM. EDIT: Wait... uncooked!?
- LegitShady 4y ago100%. overnight oats - google it. Equal volume of oats and mils, and the oats just absorb the milk overnight and soften. Very convenient for breakfast, minimal dishwashing, good for 2-3 days in the fridge. substitute yogurt instead of milk for big increase in protein!
- rubicon33 4y agoI feel like I've learned an excellent life hack. Thanks!
- appletrotter 4y ago> I have reactive hypoglycemia Makes sense that this diet wouldn't work for you - but I think using this argument is sort of like arguing that peanuts are unhealthy because some people are allergic to them. Fun Fact: You can let your potatoes cool down, and then re-heat them, to significantly lower the glycemic impact. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29629761 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29629761
- gruez 4y agoSeems like the linked study only applies to pasta. Whether it applies to potato is unknown.
- tingletech 4y agohttps://doi.org/10.1016/j.foodchem.2016.03.120 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.foodchem.2016.03.120
- tpoacher 4y ago> I find protein and fat way more satiating than, well, anything else. For example, eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. That's not what satiety means (at least in this context), right? I'm reading OP's definition as "you'll eat less [calories] per sitting because you'll feel satiated more quickly", rather than your "your feeling of non-hunger will last longer". The two seem pretty orthogonal definitions to me.
- monktastic1 4y agoOne is "given the same calories, you'll be full longer." The other is "given fewer calories, you'll be full for as long." Surely those aren't orthogonal?
- yellowapple 4y agoThat seems like it'd be the definition of orthogonal; "length of fullness" and "caloric input" are separate variables, and each of those statements entails altering one of those variables independently from the other.
- monktastic1 4y agoThe definitions don't make reference to any particular food. And holding the food constant, presumably "length of fullness" and "caloric input" are strongly correlated, right? So if one of those statements is true, the other is very likely to be true. I would expect "orthogonal" to mean that there is no relationship between their truth values. What am I missing?
- leksak 4y agoI eat six eggs for breakfast, with vegetables and maybe a bowl of kefir with some mango and I'm hungry around 10 — breakfast being at 7-8.
- GordonS 4y agoI guess you're an outlier (or have a tapeworm :) I physically can't eat any more than 3 eggs because I'd feel completely full.
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- leetrout 4y agoYea, my anecdata is that I feel crazy full from eggs. Maybe the choline in them? I dont know but more than any other food eggs trigger my brain to say "stop thats enough".
- rootusrootus 4y agoI'm the same [as the person who you are replying to]. Eggs are good as part of a meal, but they don't fill me up. I need a bit of carbs to go with them.
- leksak 4y agoOr somewhere else on the bell-curve. Maybe I'm twenty kilos heavier than you, exercise more than you, have a bigger appetite than you. Maybe a tape-worm ;) My post, along with many others that have replied to you seem to have done so to challenge your guarantee.
- orionion 4y agoEgg Consumption Increases Risk for Diabetes https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/egg-consumption-increases-risk-diabetes https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/egg-consumption-i... "The authors note results from a recent meta-analysis and data from the Physicians' Health Study and Women’s Health Study showed an increased risk for diabetes of up to 77% with seven or more eggs consumed per week."
- rootusrootus 4y ago> eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. Tried that. Two eggs and a piece of toast will get me easily to lunch. Four eggs will get me an hour or so, despite having more calories.
- Gatsky 4y agoWhat is reactive hypoglycemia?
- jaggederest 4y ago[L]ow blood sugar that occurs after a meal — usually within four hours after eating. This is different from low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) that occurs while fasting. - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/reactive-hypoglycemia/faq-20057778 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expe... For me personally, it feels like you're having a panic attack, you get ravenously hungry and eat anything in sight, tremors and heart palpitations, confusion, irritability, dizziness. No fun at all. Thankfully not life threatening though, at least the "normal" kind.
- GordonS 4y agoIt could be life threatening in the wrong circumstances. For example, one time years ago I was having a bad hypo, and had become very confused - and I was about to get in the car and drive, before my wife stopped me.
- monktastic1 4y ago> eat 2 eggs for breakfast and I guarantee you won't even think a out food again until lunch time, if not dinner time. I don't understand the motivation to make such a guarantee. It's as though you assume there are many people on HN who have never tried eating two eggs in the same meal. Do you maybe live in a place where eggs are rare (or not commonly eaten)? (For what it's worth, my personal experience matches that of others here: two eggs would be a comically small breakfast.)
- chihuahua 4y agoIf "2 eggs for breakfast and you won't think about food again until hours later" were true, it would be the world's easiest and most effective diet: eat 2 eggs (2x75 calories), the next time you feel hungry (afternoon), eat another 2 eggs, then have a MASSIVE 1200 calorie dinner. Total = 1500 calories for the day - substantial weight loss would be guaranteed. In practice, this doesn't work because eggs are not hugely satiating.
- monktastic1 4y agoI agree it's not true for most people -- though for someone who has trained themselves to eat a small breakfast, it surely can be. Plenty of people eat nothing for breakfast, and are satiated til lunchtime, but aren't losing weight from it. More interesting to me is why someone would phrase it as a guarantee even if it were true. It suggests that the reader likely hasn't tried it, and would be surprised to discover the result.
- ConstantVigil 4y ago
- mmmpop 4y ago>a MASSIVE 1200 calorie dinner Yeah no one likes your humble brags about how little you eat and feel JUST GREAT. You're probably worse for it. I'm 5'11", ~170 lbs and rather lazy right now, running ~15 miles a week and a couple light lifting sessions because I'm busy. I eat 2500 calories a day and maintain just fine. I just ate 1200 calories at dinner, no problem, so I'm going to try real hard not to feel judged by you!
- namecheapTA 4y agoIve had six egg scrambles for breakfast many times. I then can eat a lunch at a reasonable time very easily. Most of this food stuff is in everyone's head. I think everyone should try a 3 day fast once in their life to see what it all feels like and realize nothing bad will happen. If anything it quickly makes you realize why people stress eat. Being actually pretty hungry feels a lot like anxiety to me.
- GordonS 4y agoAgree on fasting, I did 5 days before and it was a good experience.
- safety1st 4y agoI agree that potatoes are high GI and that this idea is counterintuitive. My observation was simply that research exists which substantiates this counterintuitive idea (quite a bit of it I believe, the satiety index has been around since 1995). I'm sure it would spark an interesting discussion if someone had time to dive into the research and the studies. http://www.mendosa.com/satiety.htm http://www.mendosa.com/satiety.htm gives an overview and mentions a few of the studies. As an aside, this potato diet supposedly allows salt and oil - which is all you need to make french fries. French fries did not score well on the satiety index. Boiled potatoes did.