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EU and US are both fundamentally liberal democracies and not adversarial. China is an authoritarian single party state which openly declares the US an enemy...

trasz 4y ago
Because of course a two party system is fundamentally different from one party one :-D
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  That’s correct, yes.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  ... + the liberal institutions + the non-totalitarianism + the actual, real life democracy + historical and political context + ... :D
- illiac786 4y ago
  I'm assuming there is irony and you mean 2 is not enough. But it's still day and night compared to single party, irony is not an argument in itself.
  - trasz 4y ago
    No, two parties representing largely the same lobbyists and sharing largely the same views are not "night and day" compared to one party. I'd go as far as to say they are exactly the same, except for pretending there's some actual, working opposition.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      This was an easier both sides-ism to get away a decade ago. It stretches credulity today.
      - trasz 4y ago
        Not really - they differ in rhetorics, but not in things that matter. Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism, for example.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        > Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism This is a baffling assertion that takes about ten seconds to debunk. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-condemns-use-of-religion-as-a-weapon/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-conde...
        trasz 4y ago
        That’s not denouncing fundamentalism, that’s just asking to tone it down. Can you quote a single US senator who openly called “life from conception” what it is, like they called out antivaxers?
        illiac786 4y ago
        What is, according to you, the definition of "life from conception"? I'm a supporter of abortion but this is going to be fun I think.
        trasz 4y ago
        The definition doesn’t matter, what matters is what it is: a fringe theory reinvented in late XIX century as part of Catholic hate campaign. Your point being? As a reminder, we’re talking about democrats failing to condemn extremist ideas.
        illiac786 4y ago
        I was just curious, you were drifting off. To your point, I think democrats and republicans positions on climate are very different: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/us-support-for-environmental-policies-fading-as-political-gap-remains-huge/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/us-support-for-envir... That would go against your point that they support "largely the same ideas".

trasz 4y ago

Because of course a two party system is fundamentally different from one party one :-D

ceejayoz 4y ago
That’s correct, yes.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
... + the liberal institutions + the non-totalitarianism + the actual, real life democracy + historical and political context + ... :D
illiac786 4y ago
I'm assuming there is irony and you mean 2 is not enough. But it's still day and night compared to single party, irony is not an argument in itself.
- trasz 4y ago
  No, two parties representing largely the same lobbyists and sharing largely the same views are not "night and day" compared to one party. I'd go as far as to say they are exactly the same, except for pretending there's some actual, working opposition.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    This was an easier both sides-ism to get away a decade ago. It stretches credulity today.
    - trasz 4y ago
      Not really - they differ in rhetorics, but not in things that matter. Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism, for example.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism This is a baffling assertion that takes about ten seconds to debunk. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-condemns-use-of-religion-as-a-weapon/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-conde...
        trasz 4y ago
        That’s not denouncing fundamentalism, that’s just asking to tone it down. Can you quote a single US senator who openly called “life from conception” what it is, like they called out antivaxers?
        illiac786 4y ago
        What is, according to you, the definition of "life from conception"? I'm a supporter of abortion but this is going to be fun I think.
        trasz 4y ago
        The definition doesn’t matter, what matters is what it is: a fringe theory reinvented in late XIX century as part of Catholic hate campaign. Your point being? As a reminder, we’re talking about democrats failing to condemn extremist ideas.
        illiac786 4y ago
        I was just curious, you were drifting off. To your point, I think democrats and republicans positions on climate are very different: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/us-support-for-environmental-policies-fading-as-political-gap-remains-huge/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/us-support-for-envir... That would go against your point that they support "largely the same ideas".