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Yes, US/China relations are pretty distinct from US/EU relations.

• dijit 4y ago
  Why do you think that's the case? Aside from the trade-war that's going on, which is pretty arbirary; The US has routinely spied on Europe, allowed backdoored technology to make it's way into the continent including to spy on government officials from another sovereign (allegedly allied) nation. It's hard for me not to draw direct comparisons, because other than the surface level of "everything's fine, we have a common culture and we're all white" - I don't see them as being much different. Of course you're right, they're not the same, we don't see them the same. But China has arguably done less to the US than the US has done to the EU. Can you explain it to me?
  • shostack 4y ago
    Well for one, there's this thing called NATO. For another there isn't constant saber rattling between the EU and US.
  • ralusek 4y ago
    EU and US are both fundamentally liberal democracies and not adversarial. China is an authoritarian single party state which openly declares the US an enemy...
    • trasz 4y ago
      Because of course a two party system is fundamentally different from one party one :-D
      • ceejayoz 4y ago
        That’s correct, yes.
      • shrimp_emoji 4y ago
        ... + the liberal institutions + the non-totalitarianism + the actual, real life democracy + historical and political context + ... :D
      • illiac786 4y ago
        I'm assuming there is irony and you mean 2 is not enough. But it's still day and night compared to single party, irony is not an argument in itself.
        • trasz 4y ago
          No, two parties representing largely the same lobbyists and sharing largely the same views are not "night and day" compared to one party. I'd go as far as to say they are exactly the same, except for pretending there's some actual, working opposition.
          • ceejayoz 4y ago
            This was an easier both sides-ism to get away a decade ago. It stretches credulity today.
            • trasz 4y ago
              Not really - they differ in rhetorics, but not in things that matter. Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism, for example.
              • ceejayoz 4y ago
                > Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism This is a baffling assertion that takes about ten seconds to debunk. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-condemns-use-of-religion-as-a-weapon/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-conde...
                • trasz 4y ago
                  That’s not denouncing fundamentalism, that’s just asking to tone it down. Can you quote a single US senator who openly called “life from conception” what it is, like they called out antivaxers?
  • simonsarris 4y ago
    At enormous expense the US rebuilt Europe (Marshall plan), protected it from Soviet Encroachment (and is still doing so to this day, apparently), and is above all reciprocal with Europe in a way that China is not. Facebook is not banned in Europe. Spotify is not banned in America. Both are banned in China. On that basis alone both entities have ample cause to limit China's influence in their own domestic spheres.
    • interactivecode 4y ago
      The rebuilding of Europe was all done with loans not gifts, so it was just a money making cheme
  • raverbashing 4y ago
    > Why do you think that's the case? The whole history of the XX century