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Yeah, I challenge anyone to show me a unconditionally successful Boeing program post 2000 AD. Please. Please show one to me. I am begging you here. Aboulafia h

Yeah, I challenge anyone to show me a unconditionally successful Boeing program post 2000 AD. Please. Please show one to me. I am begging you here. Aboulafia had like fifty graphs on exactly how Boeing is doomed, at least as a unified company; they might survive in pieces after a GE-style split. Big B is spending all their money on precisely the wrong products, and leaving the right products to die on the vine. This . . this must be what it was like with the late stage evolution of the Soviet design bureaus, but far, far, far worse. With somehow less accountability. No one inside knows what anyone else is doing, and they're this close to just shipping boxes of parts and marking off a successful delivery of a finished good. How Boeing has avoided the Mother Lode of all Fines is a mystery to me. Except it's not really a mystery, we all know why, but . . please let me keep my illusions.

jmalicki 4y ago
So I'm probably ignorant, but the 787? I've seen it as a great aircraft that has moved the bar significantly... there have been some issues, but I'm surprised that you wouldn't even consider it a successful program?
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  I can’t say too much, but check the deliveries on the 787 that past few months ;)
  - slater 4y ago
    Looks like the answer is... none...? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries#Orders_and_deliveries_by_type_and_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_...
    - my123 4y ago
      Boeing halted deliveries of the 787 in May 2021 with the FAA notably citing manufacturing defects. Currently isn't resumed yet.
      - caycep 4y ago
        yeah, I think it was the first product of the "new Boeing" where everything was outsourced to lower cost subcontractors and none of the resulting parts fit together...
aviat 4y ago
Boeing T-7 Redhawk
- sklargh 4y ago
  This was jointly designed by Saab.

jmalicki 4y ago

So I'm probably ignorant, but the 787? I've seen it as a great aircraft that has moved the bar significantly... there have been some issues, but I'm surprised that you wouldn't even consider it a successful program?

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
I can’t say too much, but check the deliveries on the 787 that past few months ;)
- slater 4y ago
  Looks like the answer is... none...? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries#Orders_and_deliveries_by_type_and_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_...
  - my123 4y ago
    Boeing halted deliveries of the 787 in May 2021 with the FAA notably citing manufacturing defects. Currently isn't resumed yet.
    - caycep 4y ago
      yeah, I think it was the first product of the "new Boeing" where everything was outsourced to lower cost subcontractors and none of the resulting parts fit together...

aviat 4y ago

Boeing T-7 Redhawk

sklargh 4y ago
This was jointly designed by Saab.