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> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i do

> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to afford to pay >$20k for that gun...you've probably got your life together and aren't going on shooting sprees.

vlovich123 4y ago
That’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.
- jclulow 4y ago
  You have to ban them _and_ buy them back at the same time. You make them illegal to have, then you compensate people for the economic value of the property they now need to surrender for destruction. That is in fact how buyback schemes work in countries that aren't totally irrational about guns.
  - vlovich123 4y ago
    I clearly should have clarified. They don’t work in America where private gun ownership does not look like it’s ever going to get banned. Also America isn’t land locked like Australia. The black market will have an easier time transporting the goods through South America. If that wasn’t the case, then drugs wouldn’t be as accessible here. And given US is the arms capital of the world (American manufacturers supply a significant amount of the arms used in conflicts), those guns will inevitably find their way back to America (conflict stops, owners need money more than weapons, etc). The bigger the conflict the cheaper the guns become. Finally, Australia had a national moment of unity when they banned guns and so giving up your guns was a collective activity. That’s not the case in America.
- King-Aaron 4y ago
  You're deeply wrong about that. Gun buybacks have worked and do work everywhere that they've been conducted.
  - daenz 4y ago
    It's not a buyback since the government never owned it. It's coerced confiscation.
    - King-Aaron 4y ago
      So if you sell your house, or sell your car, or sell a loaf of bread, is that also coerced confiscation?
      - daenz 4y ago
        If the government says "we're taking your house for %x percent of the value" then yes, it is. Is extremely disingenuous to suggest that a gun "buyback" is voluntary. You either do it or you're a felon.
- palmetieri2000 4y ago
  Gun Buybacks were incredibly successful in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre and now we have f*ck all gun violence. Funny that.
  - irusensei 4y ago
    My home country has scrict gun ownership laws. It is almost impossible for a citizen to get a gun and even when he does other rules applies to carrying and loading. Last time I've checked we had around 60000 gun related deaths every year.
    - palmetieri2000 4y ago
      If you were less obscure about which country that was maybe we could probe into why those deaths happen but you weren't so we cant.
      - otherme123 4y ago
        It's Brazil, no other country in the world has more than 40,000 firearm deaths per year.
        irusensei 4y ago
        Yeap. News about people getting killed during a robbery even after passively handling out their belongings without resistance are common occurrence. Criminals still with plenty access to guns after 20 years of strict control regulations are emboldened by the fact that nobody can offer resistance.
        otherme123 4y ago
        It seems obvious that firearms deaths are a multi-cause issue. If you have a highly developed country (Finland, Iceland, Switzerland...) you can also have lots of firearms without fearing also massive killings. But if half your society is born and raised under violence (El Salvador, Venezuela, Honduras...) + easy firearms + raging black markets operating freely, it's a recipe for disaster. I wouldn't expect less deaths in Brazil by getting more guns in the streets and encouraging resistance: Venezuela is already there (more than twice the guns of Brazil, handguns and semiautomatic are more or less allowed, you only need a license), and their death rates are the worst in the world.
- ben-schaaf 4y ago
  It's quite difficult to breed guns.
daenz 4y ago
Guns, but only for criminals and rich people? No thanks.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Better than having guns for criminals, rich people and unhinged teenagers looking to shoot their school.
  - daenz 4y ago
    The largest demographic (hundreds of millions of people), which you seem to have left out, is law abiding citizens looking to protect themselves and their families.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Nextgrid 4y ago
      Protect themselves from what? Unhinged people with guns? Seems like recursion. People in other countries where guns are illegal seem to do just fine without having to protect themselves using their own firearms.
      - daenz 4y ago
        People in unarmed countries get stabbed/beaten/shot if their attacker is larger/stronger/younger than them. Here, older/weaker people have a chance to protect their lives. Firearms are frequently used defensively to stop attacks. Here's a couple from the past 2 weeks: https://abc7.com/moreno-valley-intruder-shot-homeowner-investigation/12004046/ https://abc7.com/moreno-valley-intruder-shot-homeowner-inves... https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/man-fatally-shot-at-clearwater-home-police-say/ https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/man-fatally-shot-a...
        mullingitover 4y ago
BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
>”and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld.” Might still? It would kick the underground firearm economy into overdrive. It’s also the case that the United States has a mind boggling amount of guns, more than any forced confiscation program could hope to put a noticeable dent into. “I lost my gun in a boating accident” is already a meme in gun culture. The black market would be well supplied.

vlovich123 4y ago

That’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.

jclulow 4y ago
You have to ban them _and_ buy them back at the same time. You make them illegal to have, then you compensate people for the economic value of the property they now need to surrender for destruction. That is in fact how buyback schemes work in countries that aren't totally irrational about guns.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  I clearly should have clarified. They don’t work in America where private gun ownership does not look like it’s ever going to get banned. Also America isn’t land locked like Australia. The black market will have an easier time transporting the goods through South America. If that wasn’t the case, then drugs wouldn’t be as accessible here. And given US is the arms capital of the world (American manufacturers supply a significant amount of the arms used in conflicts), those guns will inevitably find their way back to America (conflict stops, owners need money more than weapons, etc). The bigger the conflict the cheaper the guns become. Finally, Australia had a national moment of unity when they banned guns and so giving up your guns was a collective activity. That’s not the case in America.
King-Aaron 4y ago
You're deeply wrong about that. Gun buybacks have worked and do work everywhere that they've been conducted.
- daenz 4y ago
  It's not a buyback since the government never owned it. It's coerced confiscation.
  - King-Aaron 4y ago
    So if you sell your house, or sell your car, or sell a loaf of bread, is that also coerced confiscation?
    - daenz 4y ago
      If the government says "we're taking your house for %x percent of the value" then yes, it is. Is extremely disingenuous to suggest that a gun "buyback" is voluntary. You either do it or you're a felon.
palmetieri2000 4y ago
Gun Buybacks were incredibly successful in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre and now we have f*ck all gun violence. Funny that.
- irusensei 4y ago
  My home country has scrict gun ownership laws. It is almost impossible for a citizen to get a gun and even when he does other rules applies to carrying and loading. Last time I've checked we had around 60000 gun related deaths every year.
  - palmetieri2000 4y ago
    If you were less obscure about which country that was maybe we could probe into why those deaths happen but you weren't so we cant.
    - otherme123 4y ago
      It's Brazil, no other country in the world has more than 40,000 firearm deaths per year.
      - irusensei 4y ago
        Yeap. News about people getting killed during a robbery even after passively handling out their belongings without resistance are common occurrence. Criminals still with plenty access to guns after 20 years of strict control regulations are emboldened by the fact that nobody can offer resistance.
        otherme123 4y ago
        It seems obvious that firearms deaths are a multi-cause issue. If you have a highly developed country (Finland, Iceland, Switzerland...) you can also have lots of firearms without fearing also massive killings. But if half your society is born and raised under violence (El Salvador, Venezuela, Honduras...) + easy firearms + raging black markets operating freely, it's a recipe for disaster. I wouldn't expect less deaths in Brazil by getting more guns in the streets and encouraging resistance: Venezuela is already there (more than twice the guns of Brazil, handguns and semiautomatic are more or less allowed, you only need a license), and their death rates are the worst in the world.
ben-schaaf 4y ago
It's quite difficult to breed guns.

daenz 4y ago

Guns, but only for criminals and rich people? No thanks.

Nextgrid 4y ago
Better than having guns for criminals, rich people and unhinged teenagers looking to shoot their school.
- daenz 4y ago
  The largest demographic (hundreds of millions of people), which you seem to have left out, is law abiding citizens looking to protect themselves and their families.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    Protect themselves from what? Unhinged people with guns? Seems like recursion. People in other countries where guns are illegal seem to do just fine without having to protect themselves using their own firearms.
    - daenz 4y ago
      People in unarmed countries get stabbed/beaten/shot if their attacker is larger/stronger/younger than them. Here, older/weaker people have a chance to protect their lives. Firearms are frequently used defensively to stop attacks. Here's a couple from the past 2 weeks: https://abc7.com/moreno-valley-intruder-shot-homeowner-investigation/12004046/ https://abc7.com/moreno-valley-intruder-shot-homeowner-inves... https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/man-fatally-shot-at-clearwater-home-police-say/ https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/man-fatally-shot-a...
      - mullingitover 4y ago

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago

>”and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld.” Might still? It would kick the underground firearm economy into overdrive. It’s also the case that the United States has a mind boggling amount of guns, more than any forced confiscation program could hope to put a noticeable dent into. “I lost my gun in a boating accident” is already a meme in gun culture. The black market would be well supplied.