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Clarify what you mean. Education is the single best tool humans have invented for progressing knowledge and solving social issues. But the current education s

Clarify what you mean. Education is the single best tool humans have invented for progressing knowledge and solving social issues. But the current education systems in the US are pretty bad though, from what I've read.

endisneigh 4y ago
School is not education.
- deleted 4y ago
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- willnonya 4y ago
  But it is supposed to be a tool for facilitating edication... You also missed the part of the cycle that blames parents. The bureaucratic nature of modern school, lack of proper incentives or completion are the fertilizers of mediocrity.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    I didn’t - the point is that schools are tasked with solving societal problems. Teachers aren’t qualified and are blamed and so they’re leaving. The end
- ajmurmann 4y ago
  What else is school?
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
Some parents: don't trust teachers to educate their kids with verifiably accurate history and science because it might make them feel guilty or conflict with their religious beliefs Same parents: trust those same teachers implicitly with firearms to protect their kids from shooters wielding the AR-15s that they refuse to restrict or ban. We have teachers who are under assault from forces beyond their control from parents, from politicians, and from nuts with military weaponry while their wages have largely remained stagnant and outstripped by the cost of living. Meanwhile, we live in an administrative fantasy land where somehow schools need a dozen assistant principals and superintendents who literally could not find a job outside of academia are pulling in $300K+ even from poor districts. They'd get far more traction, at least about school security, if they banded together and told parents that their kids are getting thrown into hallways the second they hear an active shooter is on campus. We can have ten dozen shootings and nothing will change, but have one where it's the kids that are the human shields and people will suddenly find that spark of common sense that has long been abandoned.
MBCook 4y ago
Not GP. Teachers to get to face the real possibility of being shot. But they don’t get body armor like some other professions. In fact almost nothing gets done. Shootings go up. Odds go up. Teachers have to take it. COVID-19 comes. States or administration close the schools. Kids disappear, but teachers are supposed to know why. Kids ignore lessons or disrupt things and learning suffers, teachers get yelled at. They were never trained for this but do their best and get yelled at. Kids should be in school! Teachers fault. Kids should be at home, it’s too dangerous! Yell at the teacher. Masks are required. They shouldn’t be. They’re dangerous. They’re annoying. They’re ineffective. They’re Democrat theater. Kids won’t follow policy. Yell at the teachers. Masks are no longer required. This is dangerous. Billy could die. Yell at the teacher. Should have closed the school again. Yell at the teacher. I’ve seen some of my local school board meetings in the last two years. It’s a disaster of screaming at the poor representatives. Then some of those people ran and got seats and now things are even more contentious. And that was just over masking/closing. Haven’t even started on what to teach/how. People yell at the board. People yell at the admins. EVERYONE yells at the teachers. There’s more of them and they’re easier to get ahold of. You know who they are. They’re (nominally) in charge of your kids class. So just like fast-food workers or customer support people everyone takes things out on them. There are tons of other problems that have existed since before the pandemic that still exist. There are other pandemic related problems GP didn’t mention. If there are any teachers left in two years it will be a miracle.

endisneigh 4y ago

School is not education.

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willnonya 4y ago
But it is supposed to be a tool for facilitating edication... You also missed the part of the cycle that blames parents. The bureaucratic nature of modern school, lack of proper incentives or completion are the fertilizers of mediocrity.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  I didn’t - the point is that schools are tasked with solving societal problems. Teachers aren’t qualified and are blamed and so they’re leaving. The end
ajmurmann 4y ago
What else is school?

MisterBastahrd 4y ago

Some parents: don't trust teachers to educate their kids with verifiably accurate history and science because it might make them feel guilty or conflict with their religious beliefs Same parents: trust those same teachers implicitly with firearms to protect their kids from shooters wielding the AR-15s that they refuse to restrict or ban. We have teachers who are under assault from forces beyond their control from parents, from politicians, and from nuts with military weaponry while their wages have largely remained stagnant and outstripped by the cost of living. Meanwhile, we live in an administrative fantasy land where somehow schools need a dozen assistant principals and superintendents who literally could not find a job outside of academia are pulling in $300K+ even from poor districts. They'd get far more traction, at least about school security, if they banded together and told parents that their kids are getting thrown into hallways the second they hear an active shooter is on campus. We can have ten dozen shootings and nothing will change, but have one where it's the kids that are the human shields and people will suddenly find that spark of common sense that has long been abandoned.

MBCook 4y ago

Not GP. Teachers to get to face the real possibility of being shot. But they don’t get body armor like some other professions. In fact almost nothing gets done. Shootings go up. Odds go up. Teachers have to take it. COVID-19 comes. States or administration close the schools. Kids disappear, but teachers are supposed to know why. Kids ignore lessons or disrupt things and learning suffers, teachers get yelled at. They were never trained for this but do their best and get yelled at. Kids should be in school! Teachers fault. Kids should be at home, it’s too dangerous! Yell at the teacher. Masks are required. They shouldn’t be. They’re dangerous. They’re annoying. They’re ineffective. They’re Democrat theater. Kids won’t follow policy. Yell at the teachers. Masks are no longer required. This is dangerous. Billy could die. Yell at the teacher. Should have closed the school again. Yell at the teacher. I’ve seen some of my local school board meetings in the last two years. It’s a disaster of screaming at the poor representatives. Then some of those people ran and got seats and now things are even more contentious. And that was just over masking/closing. Haven’t even started on what to teach/how. People yell at the board. People yell at the admins. EVERYONE yells at the teachers. There’s more of them and they’re easier to get ahold of. You know who they are. They’re (nominally) in charge of your kids class. So just like fast-food workers or customer support people everyone takes things out on them. There are tons of other problems that have existed since before the pandemic that still exist. There are other pandemic related problems GP didn’t mention. If there are any teachers left in two years it will be a miracle.