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It feels increasingly like paying for media is for chumps. If you pirate then you get the format you want, the edition you want on the device you want… indefini
by pharmakom 4y ago
It feels increasingly like paying for media is for chumps. If you pirate then you get the format you want, the edition you want on the device you want… indefinitely.
- ainiriand 4y agoI tend to feel the same. Something like I understand their legal hurdles licensing things across different country laws and such but in reality that is not my damn problem. Silly things like why can't I watch HBO max in Germany?
- capableweb 4y agoEven sillier, why are there subtitles for languages available in some countries, but not in others, even on the same service? If I'm in Brazil watching a Netflix show (even some Netflix originals), I don't see the same amount of subtitle options if I was in India. Absolutely bonkers.
- norman784 4y agoAFAIK this happens when the subtitles are not made by the same company, for example old Disney movies are translated in each region, but not by Disney itself, so they don't own the subtitles. For Netflix originals I have no explanation, I though they do it all themselves.
- usrusr 4y agoChances are the cut you get in India isn't the same as the one you get in Brazil. Wouldn't be surprised if the subtitle translation were made on region cut level, and not on source level so that they could be simply passed on with whatever subset of the audio track viewers get to see (hear)
- account42 4y ago> Chances are the cut you get in India isn't the same as the one you get in Brazil Which is in itself already yet another reason why pirates get the better service.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoAre pirates so accomplished they're offering more transitions than commerical services?! Are we talking widely available bootlegs or some private channels?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y agoI was under the impression that community made subtitles are in some cases far superior to the commercial options. So... Yes, actually.
- chii 4y ago> legal hurdles licensing things across different country laws and such but in reality that is not my damn problem. and in essence, a made up problem. The owners of those licenses simply wants to increase profits by price segmentation - that's why media is restricted in some countries from being viewed from other countries etc. So i have absolutely zero qualms about piracy when such practices exists.
- ainiriand 4y agoYeah well, I forgot to connect the vpn to download a movie, a single mistake that costed me almost 1k euro here in Germany, not sure how to proceed.
- rasz 4y agoDeny everything, own open/hacked wifi accesspoint, use streaming sites instead of torrent.
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y agoYou could use a seedbox next time, and only fetch content to your machine through SSH.
- ainiriand 4y agoI would not put the hand in the fire that my ISP is not analyzing the traffic to detect movie downloads.
- thirdsun 4y agoIn case of HBO Max it's probably because they licensed most of their content to Sky. I'm sure once that agreement runs out we will see HBO Max in Germany. And Sky will be even more worthless to non-sport audiences.
- gpmcadam 4y agoThere are (non-trivial) ways of making back-up copies of your purchased digital material, just as there were for Blu-Ray and DVD purchases in the past; so the choice isn't solely between piracy and purchasing.
- fastball 4y agoMany of these files have uncracked DRM so not sure that's true.
- goosedragons 4y agoEven as an absolute worst case there is always point camera at screen and record. HDMI splitters/cheap HDMI capture cards will often ignore HDCP too allowing you to record content. Not really convenient to do it real time, and there generally is some quality loss but it is doable.
- scopecreep 4y agoThey have to be decrypted to be played back. The analog hole cannot be closed.
- ornornor 4y agoKinda is because it’s so much simpler to download it for free. Or get it from the library (if you have a decent public library system)
- pastacacioepepe 4y agoI'd rather send an amount of money to the actual creator (without intermediaries) and still pirate the content just because it's more convenient.
- DocTomoe 4y agoSo, with a movie, who is the "creator"? The studio? But those folks are the source of the problem with their licensing deals. The director? The screen writer? Camera crews? Actors? Props? It's easier with books, or music (with different degrees of truth, a single singer-songwriter would be a lot easier to pay directly than a symphonic orchestra...), but involved products are not easy to finance individually - or pay individually - that's the exact reason right-management studios exist to begin with.
- xienze 4y agoYou could also buy the DVD/Blu-Ray/UHD and rip it...
- ycombinete 4y agoThe major problem with Blu-ray is ensuring authenticity. There are so many fakes out there.
- grishka 4y agoThat's more effort than torrenting to get exactly the same end result.
- xienze 4y agoI would be surprised if it's really THAT easy to find any arbitrary movie ripped in full Blu/UHD quality without any transcoding, dowloadable within 30-45 minutes (average rip time). New Hollywood releases, sure I can buy that, back catalog stuff that's even the slightest bit obscure? I doubt it, simply because how many people are currently torrenting e.g., a full bitrate UHD copy of Django (1966)? I've heard it repeated many times over the years that movie torrent sites are a magical one-stop shop where every movie in the history of cinema is available instantly and in full quality, but I've just never seen it except for new release stuff. Now perhaps the story changes a little with private trackers, but in order to use those you have to be an active seeder. Now you've moved from a simple DMCA bypass to actively distributing pirated content. Thanks, but I think I'd rather rip purchased movies onto my Plex server.
- grishka 4y ago> simply because how many people are currently torrenting e.g., a full bitrate UHD copy of Django (1966)? On the most popular Russian public torrent tracker, there are 22 results for that right now, and even though none of them are UHD, top two of the highest-bitrate 1080p BDRip torrents do have active seeders.
- bjl 4y ago
- sharperguy 4y agoAt least with streaming services you know that it's only temporary. Often Netflix is just more convenient than searching for torrents, setting up a device with a hard disk/NAS to play offline content etc.
- ATsch 4y agoFeels like there's a 10-year cycle of this: 1. Companies lock down access until everyone starts pirating, broadcast rights become increasingly worthless. 2. A company realizes that this is a great opportunity to provide easy access to all of the media and becomes wildly succesful. Broadcast rights suddenly become very valuable. 3. Goto 1
- Macha 4y agoSadly, the lessons that businesses learn from this is "we should have better DRM so users have no alternative" and not "we should have less user hostile business models"
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- falcolas 4y agoHaving less control, having less hostile business practices, is leaving money on the table. And leaving money on the table is heresy to modern businesspeople. Consumer rights only matter to these people if they are codified in a law and the consequences have teeth.
- mywittyname 4y agoWhich is interesting, considering most businesspeople would support spending money on advertisement. Many are even into "guerilla advertisement," where an ad company tries to fake organic, word-of-mouth popularity. You know, the exact kind of popularity that piracy tends to induce.
- bitshiftfaced 4y agoI feel lucky that I don't feel the need to "own" any particular movie. I'm content enough to rent it. I rarely want to watch the same movie again more than once every few years. In my case, it's much cheaper to rent on demand than to digitally "buy" it. Of course, some movies exist exclusively on platforms like Netflix. If I want to watch something bad enough, then I'll go ahead and pay for one month, which is again cheaper than buying outright. And then I'll usually suck up all the other exclusive content that month, so it doesn't feel too much like a rip off. It's still annoying though.
- dfxm12 4y agoYou can do this via purchasing physical media, too. You can even pass it along when you're done with it.
- JohnHaugeland 4y ago> It feels increasingly like paying for media is for chumps. It's for honest people.
- ardfard 4y agoWrong mindset. You still need to support the developers somehow. I still bought games/movies but get the non-DRM version just for the convenience i.e. not having to start launcher for playing games.
- account42 4y agoIf the developers make the game/movie available in a reasonable way (e.g. DRM-free download). If they want to control what you do after the transaction then that's their problem and I see no problem with piracy.
- noelsusman 4y agoDisagreeing with a content producer's distribution methods is not a moral justification for theft.
- throw10920 4y agoYup. If you disagree with the distribution method, then you don't get the media. There is no right that grants you the ability to take the product of another's time and effort because you didn't like their terms. In fact, there's a corresponding negative right - you have the right to possess the product of your work and prevent others from taking it away from you unless you transact it away on your own terms. Piracy is theft, and even if you could make arguments that it's "justified" theft in the case of taking something like insulin to save your life, there is no justification whatsoever for works of entertainment.
- account42 4y agoGood thing that copyright infringement is not theft then ;)
- xoa 4y agoPaying for DRMed media is for chumps. While I agree with you overall in spirit, lets not forget that there are in fact 100% DRM free quality stores out there. And for music and games not minor ones either, in music in fact humanity outright won that war and DRM free is the standard for purchases not the exception. Even for games the selection at stores like GOG is in no way minor with lots of full AAA titles. Lots of DRM free places for ebooks too, though admittedly that one for some reason is less extensive. But it's movies and TV shows that are the real odd ones out. That industry has always been some of the worst, and unfortunately they seem to have watched what happened with music and learned all the wrong lessons plus had the opportunity to stop the particular path towards DRM free music took from happening to them. Things are a complete mess a true perversion of the point of copyright. I hope this sort of thing eventually prompts backlash that results in legal changes.
- permo-w 4y agomusic has a lower production cost than tv shows and films. the copyright holders are more willing to distribute them at a lower price
- marcodiego 4y agoPaying for media is a good thing. Paying for content without getting the media is a problem.