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It’s time for a law that gives you the right to keep pirated copies if you own (as in press the buy button, even if it’s an indefinite rental) the original.

by harha 4y ago

pharmakom 4y ago
In practice there are no penalties for pirate content, although sounds like a good change.
- SSLy 4y ago
  In Germany? No, they really fear their enforcement authority.
  - meltedcapacitor 4y ago
    There is no enforcement authority, all the blackmailing is done by private rogue lawyers.
    - Adrox 4y ago
      Do you know what you are talking about? The blackmail done by a "private rogue lawyers", has a judge signature to authorize the ISP to give my personal information based on the IP that they supposedly got doing the infringement. This is always done in courts in Bavaria that are very copyright-owners friendly. Furthermore, around 1 year after I "Lawyered up", I still got a official Court order to show up in court, that's when I decided to fold and pay the 1000€.
      - pph 4y ago
        copyright infringement: 10€ (their) lawyer fees: 990€
      - lakomen 4y ago
        I received those letters 2 times. I have never responded to them. There was a "Gerichtlicher Mahnbescheid" once which is just [x] denied. The rogue lawyer continued to harrass me asking why I denied their claim. I didn't respond to that either. In the end nothing happened. They use scare tactics. That was before the mess the EU created 2-3 years ago with the reforms. So idk what the status is like now. But ignorance is bliss. The big players do it all the same. They ignore you until they really have to deal with you.
        mafuy 4y ago
        3 years ago? So your case will be forfeit at the end of this year. Expect a followup by them this December, which prevents forfeit. Some asshat lawyers do actually drag you in front of a judge, and you can't ignore that.
        MiddleEndian 4y ago
        Personally, I think this sort of timed thing (regardless of which law or debt is being collected) should be pro-rated, at least if it is against a human on behalf of a corporation or the government. If there's a 100 day time limit for the lawyer, and they take 99 days to get back to you, the first 99% of the value should be forfeited (perhaps with like a week or two grace period). Clearly they are not that in need of the money, and professional bureaucracy dealers should not be able to simply drag things out against people who simply wish to live their lives.
robonerd 4y ago
Decriminalize piracy for natural persons (not corporations.)
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  Infinite letter of marquee
RealStickman_ 4y ago
Movies, like a lot of music, should just be downloadable DRM-free when you purchase it. This would probably increase my spending on movies and series instead of ripping BluRays or finding the right linux iso.
acd 4y ago
Private copy levy alows private copies of content. "A private copying levy (also known as blank media tax or levy) is a government-mandated scheme in which a special tax or levy (additional to any general sales tax) is charged on purchases of recordable media. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy Sweden has such a private copy law. You pay a tax fee on USB and other storage media such as hard disks but the fee includes the right to make private copies. "Privatkopieringsersättning" EU version https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32001L0029&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... "(38) Member States should be allowed to provide for an exception or limitation to the reproduction right for certain types of reproduction of audio, visual and audio-visual material for private use, accompanied by fair compensation. This may include the introduction or continuation of remuneration schemes to compensate for the prejudice to rightholders."
- null_object 4y ago
  > Sweden has such a private copy law. You pay a tax fee on USB and other storage media such as hard disks but the fee includes the right to make private copies. I'm not sure what your view on this law is, but I might add that it's a terrible idea, badly implemented. For those of us who use hard disks for data backups, our own music, or large image files (I backup scans of large-format film photographs which can be almost 1GB each), the law taxes us unjustly, and also the distribution of the proceeds is inequitable and doesn't benefit artists or creators, but rather the bureaucracies that administer it.
  - YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
    In order to reduce health issues cause by over-consumption of sugary drinks, I propose a levy on aluminium because Coca Cola is commonly distributed in aluminium cans.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Who administers it?
koonsolo 4y ago
As far as I know, Belgium has such a law that you can take a backup copy of the original. That would have been my argument when being sued: "Those are all backups of the original. I lost all the originals, so good thing I took a backup." ;)
- krageon 4y ago
  Strictly speaking the backup must be based on what you actually have bought (i.e. if you strip the DRM from your purchase and store that, that's fine). That means you cannot download essentially an identical copy, that's still naughty. I know this is idiotic, but apparently whoever writes laws doesn't know this.
  - hyperman1 4y ago
    It's more subtle than that. You must have legal access. Loaning from a library allows you to make a copy and return the original.
    - iggldiggl 4y ago
      There are also some other subtleties. E.g. I recently stumbled across the fact that in Germany apparently complete books (as opposed to excerpts) are specifically exempted from the right for private copies unless - you either transcribe them completely manually, or else - the book has been out of print for at least two years. This law probably stems from the widespread introduction of photocopiers, but now that e-books are a thing, too, it has the somewhat absurd consequence that whereas it's perfectly legal to copy music I have purchased across my various devices and their backups, technically I'm not allowed to do the same thing for e-books (i.e. for example keeping an e-book both on my computer and my phone and in their respective backups, too).
Nextgrid 4y ago
The law could just be that piracy is not considered "piracy" if you otherwise have a license for the content you're pirating. So it would make it legal to use piracy for format-shifting or working around situations like this one.
- throw_away23823 4y ago
  I'm not sure if that would apply to torrents, as you are also effectively sharing content with others while downloading. It would be better that the law would require to make the content available for a download, using DRM / encryption that can work offline without any connections to a DRM server. Maybe using a personal encryption key.
  - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
    Seeders could earn a cut by helping with distribution. I believe the onus would be on the downloader to prove they have the original / a license.
PufPufPuf 4y ago
Czech republic has such a law! You are allowed to create a personal copy of copyrighted media you purchased. IDK if pirating is "making a copy", but it doesn't really matter in Czech republic since piracy is not prosecuted anyways.
rasz 4y ago
In Poland you can keep as many pirated copies as you like, and make new ones for friends and family. Its codified as part of private fair use https://pl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dozwolony_u%C5%BCytek_prywatny?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc https://pl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dozwolony_u%C... and probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

It’s time for a law that gives you the right to keep pirated copies if you own (as in press the buy button, even if it’s an indefinite rental) the original.

by harha 4y ago

It’s time for a law that gives you the right to keep pirated copies if you own (as in press the buy button, even if it’s an indefinite rental) the original.

pharmakom 4y ago

In practice there are no penalties for pirate content, although sounds like a good change.

SSLy 4y ago
In Germany? No, they really fear their enforcement authority.
- meltedcapacitor 4y ago
  There is no enforcement authority, all the blackmailing is done by private rogue lawyers.
  - Adrox 4y ago
    Do you know what you are talking about? The blackmail done by a "private rogue lawyers", has a judge signature to authorize the ISP to give my personal information based on the IP that they supposedly got doing the infringement. This is always done in courts in Bavaria that are very copyright-owners friendly. Furthermore, around 1 year after I "Lawyered up", I still got a official Court order to show up in court, that's when I decided to fold and pay the 1000€.
    - pph 4y ago
      copyright infringement: 10€ (their) lawyer fees: 990€
    - lakomen 4y ago
      I received those letters 2 times. I have never responded to them. There was a "Gerichtlicher Mahnbescheid" once which is just [x] denied. The rogue lawyer continued to harrass me asking why I denied their claim. I didn't respond to that either. In the end nothing happened. They use scare tactics. That was before the mess the EU created 2-3 years ago with the reforms. So idk what the status is like now. But ignorance is bliss. The big players do it all the same. They ignore you until they really have to deal with you.
      - mafuy 4y ago
        3 years ago? So your case will be forfeit at the end of this year. Expect a followup by them this December, which prevents forfeit. Some asshat lawyers do actually drag you in front of a judge, and you can't ignore that.
        MiddleEndian 4y ago
        Personally, I think this sort of timed thing (regardless of which law or debt is being collected) should be pro-rated, at least if it is against a human on behalf of a corporation or the government. If there's a 100 day time limit for the lawyer, and they take 99 days to get back to you, the first 99% of the value should be forfeited (perhaps with like a week or two grace period). Clearly they are not that in need of the money, and professional bureaucracy dealers should not be able to simply drag things out against people who simply wish to live their lives.

robonerd 4y ago

Decriminalize piracy for natural persons (not corporations.)

yieldcrv 4y ago
Infinite letter of marquee

RealStickman_ 4y ago

Movies, like a lot of music, should just be downloadable DRM-free when you purchase it. This would probably increase my spending on movies and series instead of ripping BluRays or finding the right linux iso.

acd 4y ago

Private copy levy alows private copies of content. "A private copying levy (also known as blank media tax or levy) is a government-mandated scheme in which a special tax or levy (additional to any general sales tax) is charged on purchases of recordable media. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy Sweden has such a private copy law. You pay a tax fee on USB and other storage media such as hard disks but the fee includes the right to make private copies. "Privatkopieringsersättning" EU version https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32001L0029&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... "(38) Member States should be allowed to provide for an exception or limitation to the reproduction right for certain types of reproduction of audio, visual and audio-visual material for private use, accompanied by fair compensation. This may include the introduction or continuation of remuneration schemes to compensate for the prejudice to rightholders."

null_object 4y ago
> Sweden has such a private copy law. You pay a tax fee on USB and other storage media such as hard disks but the fee includes the right to make private copies. I'm not sure what your view on this law is, but I might add that it's a terrible idea, badly implemented. For those of us who use hard disks for data backups, our own music, or large image files (I backup scans of large-format film photographs which can be almost 1GB each), the law taxes us unjustly, and also the distribution of the proceeds is inequitable and doesn't benefit artists or creators, but rather the bureaucracies that administer it.
- YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
  In order to reduce health issues cause by over-consumption of sugary drinks, I propose a levy on aluminium because Coca Cola is commonly distributed in aluminium cans.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Who administers it?

koonsolo 4y ago

As far as I know, Belgium has such a law that you can take a backup copy of the original. That would have been my argument when being sued: "Those are all backups of the original. I lost all the originals, so good thing I took a backup." ;)

krageon 4y ago
Strictly speaking the backup must be based on what you actually have bought (i.e. if you strip the DRM from your purchase and store that, that's fine). That means you cannot download essentially an identical copy, that's still naughty. I know this is idiotic, but apparently whoever writes laws doesn't know this.
- hyperman1 4y ago
  It's more subtle than that. You must have legal access. Loaning from a library allows you to make a copy and return the original.
  - iggldiggl 4y ago
    There are also some other subtleties. E.g. I recently stumbled across the fact that in Germany apparently complete books (as opposed to excerpts) are specifically exempted from the right for private copies unless - you either transcribe them completely manually, or else - the book has been out of print for at least two years. This law probably stems from the widespread introduction of photocopiers, but now that e-books are a thing, too, it has the somewhat absurd consequence that whereas it's perfectly legal to copy music I have purchased across my various devices and their backups, technically I'm not allowed to do the same thing for e-books (i.e. for example keeping an e-book both on my computer and my phone and in their respective backups, too).

Nextgrid 4y ago

The law could just be that piracy is not considered "piracy" if you otherwise have a license for the content you're pirating. So it would make it legal to use piracy for format-shifting or working around situations like this one.

throw_away23823 4y ago
I'm not sure if that would apply to torrents, as you are also effectively sharing content with others while downloading. It would be better that the law would require to make the content available for a download, using DRM / encryption that can work offline without any connections to a DRM server. Maybe using a personal encryption key.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  Seeders could earn a cut by helping with distribution. I believe the onus would be on the downloader to prove they have the original / a license.

PufPufPuf 4y ago

Czech republic has such a law! You are allowed to create a personal copy of copyrighted media you purchased. IDK if pirating is "making a copy", but it doesn't really matter in Czech republic since piracy is not prosecuted anyways.

rasz 4y ago

In Poland you can keep as many pirated copies as you like, and make new ones for friends and family. Its codified as part of private fair use https://pl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dozwolony_u%C5%BCytek_prywatny?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc https://pl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dozwolony_u%C... and probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy