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M2 is not a single core CPU, albeit it does have stellar single threaded performance. As for having the worst Mac, it's quite probable they were nerfing their l

M2 is not a single core CPU, albeit it does have stellar single threaded performance. As for having the worst Mac, it's quite probable they were nerfing their last x86 models on purpose to make the jump to Apple Silicon even more impressive. Remember the models that had inadequate thermals? Now magsafe is making a comeback?

sokoloff 4y ago
I read GP's as "combination of (single core CPU *plus* graphics) performance"
- dr_zoidberg 4y ago
  Sure, that's why I mentioned it having stellar single threaded performance -- I figure out what they probably meant, but it's not what is written. And I've been seeing a lot of misinformation lately about many things (in general, and in tech in particular), and people buying that without questioning , which is why I jumped to "correct" this detail. The point about nerfing their last x86 models stands on its own though.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    When you multiply that out it becomes "combination of (single core CPU performance) and (graphics performance)", which seems clear enough and aligns well with your point. It's possible to read it as "combination of (single core CPU) and (graphics performance)", but since the first one isn't much of a benefit (other than possibly power), I think the other is the more natural reading.
dean177 4y ago
Read that sentence as “single core cpu performance and graphics performance” Rather than “a single core cpu. And graphics performance”
stetrain 4y ago
Seems like in 2016 Apple was developing thermal designs for Intel’s future promises which ended up being significantly delayed. And the Apple Silicon Macbook Air has no fan at all. This is what Apple wanted out of their laptops, and was clearly struggling to achieve it with Intel’s offerings in 2015-2020.
DoughnutHole 4y ago
I find it very hard to believe that Apple deliberately sabotaged a multi-billion dollar product line for ~5 years in order to (possibly?) boost sales when their incredibly risky and expensive investment into their own silicon came to market. People have been shitting on MacBooks since they removed MagSafe and brought in the butterfly keyboard in 2016. The i9 Pros with massive thermal issues came out in 2018. That's a lot of money to lose due to everyone and their mother complaining about the decline in quality and poor value for money of your product. I wouldn't ascribe to malice what can be more easily be ascribed to incompetence - Apple made questionable regarding the design of the MacBooks, and took the complaints to heart in time for release with their much improved chips.
- dr_zoidberg 4y ago
  > I wouldn't ascribe to malice what can be more easily be ascribed to incompetence While I usually agree with the sentiment, it's hard to believe that one of the most successful companies in the world can be subject to such levels of incompetence on one of their flagship products.
  - inamberclad 4y ago
    I think the simpler explanation was that for that period of time, the mac wasn't their flagship. They were 100% on mobile devices.
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    Incompetence is the general state of affairs in the life of us all, unfortunately.
  - DoughnutHole 4y ago
    The rust belt is littered with the remains of what were at one time or another some of the most successful companies in the US or the world. Corporations are ran by fallible people and are perfectly capable of running themselves into the ground. I'd argue it's nearly their natural trajectory to become bloated and inefficient over time. General Motors was largest and most successful auto manufacturer in the world right up until it crashed and burned in 2008 and had to be bailed out by the federal government.

sokoloff 4y ago

I read GP's as "combination of (single core CPU *plus* graphics) performance"

dr_zoidberg 4y ago
Sure, that's why I mentioned it having stellar single threaded performance -- I figure out what they probably meant, but it's not what is written. And I've been seeing a lot of misinformation lately about many things (in general, and in tech in particular), and people buying that without questioning , which is why I jumped to "correct" this detail. The point about nerfing their last x86 models stands on its own though.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  When you multiply that out it becomes "combination of (single core CPU performance) and (graphics performance)", which seems clear enough and aligns well with your point. It's possible to read it as "combination of (single core CPU) and (graphics performance)", but since the first one isn't much of a benefit (other than possibly power), I think the other is the more natural reading.

dean177 4y ago

Read that sentence as “single core cpu performance and graphics performance” Rather than “a single core cpu. And graphics performance”

stetrain 4y ago

Seems like in 2016 Apple was developing thermal designs for Intel’s future promises which ended up being significantly delayed. And the Apple Silicon Macbook Air has no fan at all. This is what Apple wanted out of their laptops, and was clearly struggling to achieve it with Intel’s offerings in 2015-2020.

DoughnutHole 4y ago

I find it very hard to believe that Apple deliberately sabotaged a multi-billion dollar product line for ~5 years in order to (possibly?) boost sales when their incredibly risky and expensive investment into their own silicon came to market. People have been shitting on MacBooks since they removed MagSafe and brought in the butterfly keyboard in 2016. The i9 Pros with massive thermal issues came out in 2018. That's a lot of money to lose due to everyone and their mother complaining about the decline in quality and poor value for money of your product. I wouldn't ascribe to malice what can be more easily be ascribed to incompetence - Apple made questionable regarding the design of the MacBooks, and took the complaints to heart in time for release with their much improved chips.

dr_zoidberg 4y ago
> I wouldn't ascribe to malice what can be more easily be ascribed to incompetence While I usually agree with the sentiment, it's hard to believe that one of the most successful companies in the world can be subject to such levels of incompetence on one of their flagship products.
- inamberclad 4y ago
  I think the simpler explanation was that for that period of time, the mac wasn't their flagship. They were 100% on mobile devices.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  Incompetence is the general state of affairs in the life of us all, unfortunately.
- DoughnutHole 4y ago
  The rust belt is littered with the remains of what were at one time or another some of the most successful companies in the US or the world. Corporations are ran by fallible people and are perfectly capable of running themselves into the ground. I'd argue it's nearly their natural trajectory to become bloated and inefficient over time. General Motors was largest and most successful auto manufacturer in the world right up until it crashed and burned in 2008 and had to be bailed out by the federal government.