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If you haven’t lived in either place, it’s difficult to understand. Capitalism abounds in both, but is expressed in very different ways in each place. The cultu

If you haven’t lived in either place, it’s difficult to understand. Capitalism abounds in both, but is expressed in very different ways in each place. The cultures are just wildly different. As a native Californian, I find Florida’s culture to be smarmy and tasteless, with people shamelessly flaunting designer labels and consuming conspicuously. Being seen is super important to a lot of Floridians. (It also goes a long way to explain why Donald Trump enjoys living there; he fits right in.) Southern California (as influenced by Hollywood) has a bit of this problem too, but it’s far less acute by my observation.

trentgreene 4y ago
I’m from neither FL or CA, but have lived (for 5 years+) in both S Florida, SV / SF, and a brief stint in LA. The cultures from all these places felt like two sides of the same coin. Compared to my native slice of fly over America, the flaunting and virtue signaling were pretty overwhelming
- odessacubbage 4y ago
  flaunting and virtue signaling exist here in flyover, sometimes it's a different set of virtues but they are definitely flaunted.
- hnov 4y ago
  I’d agree, it matters not whether the surrogate for a person’s missing personality is a designer label and a lime green Lamborghini or a second home in Sonoma and ayahuasca trips to burning man.
  - otterley 4y ago
    The difference is the conspicuity. One is private and discreet behavior (as long as they don’t brag about it), the other flamboyant and gaudy.
lllbvxdtjmbc 4y ago
In my experience it's the Californians I have known who were smarmy and tasteless, from both cities in California. Your comment is a great example of the snooty attitude those of us from flyover country have been tolerating our entire lives as it flows from our TV screens. What you described is a sub culture of Miami. It doesn't describe anyone in Florida north of West Palm Beach, and completely disregards the Cuban-American population in Miami itself. Or are Cuban Americans not representative of "real" Miami? Because if you forget about the Cubans, my wife is going to have to say something to you in rapid Spanish that you won't enjoy, even if you only understand her tone
- alexeldeib 4y ago
  To be fair, GP was quoting a comment specifically comparing Miami and SF, although the comment you reply to lost that distinction. I agree it’s overly simplistic but that sub culture of Miami certainly exists and is very visible, just like SF isn’t entirely tech.
davidro80 4y ago

trentgreene 4y ago

I’m from neither FL or CA, but have lived (for 5 years+) in both S Florida, SV / SF, and a brief stint in LA. The cultures from all these places felt like two sides of the same coin. Compared to my native slice of fly over America, the flaunting and virtue signaling were pretty overwhelming

odessacubbage 4y ago
flaunting and virtue signaling exist here in flyover, sometimes it's a different set of virtues but they are definitely flaunted.
hnov 4y ago
I’d agree, it matters not whether the surrogate for a person’s missing personality is a designer label and a lime green Lamborghini or a second home in Sonoma and ayahuasca trips to burning man.
- otterley 4y ago
  The difference is the conspicuity. One is private and discreet behavior (as long as they don’t brag about it), the other flamboyant and gaudy.

lllbvxdtjmbc 4y ago

In my experience it's the Californians I have known who were smarmy and tasteless, from both cities in California. Your comment is a great example of the snooty attitude those of us from flyover country have been tolerating our entire lives as it flows from our TV screens. What you described is a sub culture of Miami. It doesn't describe anyone in Florida north of West Palm Beach, and completely disregards the Cuban-American population in Miami itself. Or are Cuban Americans not representative of "real" Miami? Because if you forget about the Cubans, my wife is going to have to say something to you in rapid Spanish that you won't enjoy, even if you only understand her tone

alexeldeib 4y ago
To be fair, GP was quoting a comment specifically comparing Miami and SF, although the comment you reply to lost that distinction. I agree it’s overly simplistic but that sub culture of Miami certainly exists and is very visible, just like SF isn’t entirely tech.

davidro80 4y ago