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YouTube's search is horrible. No, I don't want "related results" that are completely unrelated to my query, neither results from my country when I specifically
by slig 4y ago
YouTube's search is horrible. No, I don't want "related results" that are completely unrelated to my query, neither results from my country when I specifically type in English and my whole UI is in English and I never watch non-English content while logged in.
- davisoneee 4y agoFirefox plugin to remove distracting crap[2] such as 'related results' on search pages. [2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/youtube-recommended-videos/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/youtube-recom...
- dmix 4y agoThanks I tried it out and the setting is called "Hide Inapt Search Results" (it's on by default but it also disables recommendations everywhere by default so you might need to disable the other options).
- arkitaip 4y agoIf you use uBlock Origin you can remove most cruft by adding these rules to Settings > My filters: youtube.com##.ytp-ce-element youtube.com###hover-overlays youtube.com##yt-icon.ytd-badge-supported-renderer youtube.com###related youtube.com###donation-shelf
- bdowling 4y agoYouTube’s search is carefully optimized to keep viewers watching video after video, and ad after ad, for as long as possible. That’s why the search returns popular videos, ones that suck in viewers, rather than ones that match your search terms.
- doliveira 4y agoI'm actually finding myself watching YouTube less and less because of this. If we were to anthropomorphize the AI, I'd say it's trying pretty desperately to bring me to a "popular cluster".
- Beltalowda 4y agoIn my experience, its significantly more aggressive at this than it used to be. The only reason I have a Google/YouTube account in the first place is so I can go to youtube.com and see a list of reasonable interesting videos to watch, based on what I watched before. But in the last few months it keeps pushing more and more "popular" content in there, which is often complete drivel IMHO. I don't even mind if YouTube would show unrelated content, as long as it's interesting, but usually it's not. The entire reason YouTube wins out over regular TV is so I can avoid this kind of stuff. I've been flagging these things as "not interested" for months now, but it feels like fighting windmills because it has no discernible effect. The effect of all of this is that YouTube is a lot less useful to me than it used to be.
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoI feel the same way. YouTube is by far my primary streaming platform of any kind (audio or video) and recently the algorithm’s obsession with click bait is making it way less useful to me. This is leading me to watch Nebula and listen to podcasts a lot more. A couple of months ago I noticed a rapid change in the YouTube home page results. There is a channel I watch that uploads four videos or so every day and I always watch every single one immediately. Normally when I open the home page the latest video from that channel is at the very top of the list, and I usually click on it. Then one day it just wasn’t! The channel was continuing to upload and grow in size but the algorithm decided to throw all kinds of low quality stuff at me, to the point I felt like I had been logged out even when I wasn’t. I complained to YouTube on twitter and I don’t know what happened but after about five days of this nonsense things returned to normal, but then began to slowly degrade again. It felt like I had been A/B tested for a new change which then got pulled back and made more subtle. But it is still a bad change! I don’t know what they’re optimizing for but it certainly isn’t my enjoyment.
- jjoonathan 4y agoLast week youtube decided to start pushing pus / pimple popping videos, and push them hard. I've never shown interest, this was purely the algorithm's idea. Gross. I had to install an extension to get it to stop because "Not Interested" and "Don't Recommend Channel" don't work in search results, even though they are turning search results into just another front page :/
- jjoonathan 4y ago> The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. -Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine
- mgdlbp 4y agoAt least the algorithm isn't totally amnesic; no other site remembers that content can have enduring relevance.
- causi 4y agoDon't forget how you get five or six results from your search term before it starts listing random videos like it has ADHD.
- maest 4y agoI'm sure the YT PMs have proof that this improves engagement. On a similar note, I've started noticing the third video in the "related videos" section on the right-hand sidebar is usually a new video with _extremely_ clickbait and inflammatory titles - sometimes with little connection to the topics I usually watch. They're extremely distracting so I've set up a uBlock filter for these: `www.youtube.com##ytd-compact-video-renderer.ytd-item-section-renderer.style-scope:nth-of-type(3)` This doesn't work 100% of the time, but it's good enough. (in particular, it fails if what I'm watching is a trailer video which makes the 2nd recommendation in the sidebar be a movie recommendation which doesn't fit this rule; as a result it blocks the 4th entry in the list, but oh well)
- ipaddr 4y agoUntil this changes to the 4th or 2nd
- MWil 4y agoReminds me of that scene from The Office (US) where Phyllis is calling 411 to inquire about anti-gravity machines and they ask if she'll settle for... well just watch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1NeA3WoKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1NeA3WoKc
- winternett 4y agoYouTube's KPIs for promoting videos are totally off base in my opinion. They use click through rates and watch time as key indicators, which can easily be manipulated by bots, which is pretty obvious now as rampant on the platform with popular videos showing millions and billions of views, while the majority of posts (from small creators only get 100 or less views over years on the platform. On YouTube, you get thrown in a trash bin unless you're able to pay or generate traffic from popularity elsewhere. YT also puts too much emphasis on post titles now, many posters outright clone titles, which in turn botches search results massively. It was a terrible decision YT made to deprioritize taxonomy (hash tags) years ago in order to reduce moderation staff-- Of which, if taxonomy actually worked, feedback could better identify inaccurate and mis-leading content when compared to thumbs down rates... The options for video result sorting have been terribly limited and almost useless as well for ages now. A big conflict of interest is that YouTube sells and promotes ad-based content boosting to creators, which contradicting-ly makes them more geared towards promoting content that falls under this (paid promotional) category first. It also drives YouTube to lower organic reach for users to drive them towards paying for promotion more year over year... That also encourages the platform to subvert organically good/upvoted content. YT can't logically sell the idea that organic growth is a possibility any more citing the underlying fact that they feature paid promotion without labeling every promoted item of that content as such, it's shocking how they get away with this contradiction of authenticity regularly. The older engagement methods were far better for YouTube's content quality and authenticity. Now too many users are driven to post repetitive and dragged out videos, with titles based on trends, with decreasing originality and substance. The current YouTube/TikTok success model is training everyone to conform to a single theme and format, encouraging idea, topic, and content cloning, and into repeating and simply reacting to what popular channels do. YouTube content will all only continue to get worse and more monotonous if the same ideals on paid promotion continue, and creator success/profit will continue to shrink. (Just my opinion of course).
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- kmfrk 4y agoOne of the craziest things about YouTube search I don't understand is how you'll search for the name of someone, and their channel won't show up in the first results. Sometimes, often really, it won't show up at all, and you'll have to figure out other ways to phrase your queries. You kind of need to go with a long channel name that can be abbreviated like "Bob65's Engineering tricks", so people have the full name as a fallback, in case "bob65" doesn't work. Feels like they really want you to subscribe and engage with the "related" videos instead of the real deal, which sucks for channel owners, especially if it's channels who profit on being weirdly intrusive and hostile towards said channels or people.
- hawski 4y agoAt the same time when I want to find a song it often is enough to somewhat be phonetically in the realms of song's text or mention a characteristic object from the video clip if I saw it and it will often be the first result.
- judge2020 4y ago> neither results from my country Might be related to some local law or simply pressure from lawmakers, eg Canada is experimenting with such a law: https://www.medianama.com/2022/06/223-canada-bill-streaming-platforms-local-content/ https://www.medianama.com/2022/06/223-canada-bill-streaming-...
- peterkelly 4y agoI'm old enough to remember when Google was popular because of its search quality.
- celdon25 4y agoI'm old enough to remember when YouTube search results about political or current events weren't curated or weighted toward mainstream media takes. Searching for an 'unperson' will always return zero results nowadays. Edit: I guess that is just for Facebook now but my point stands. The results for certain searches are manipulated manually whether easily noticeable or not.
- the_only_law 4y ago> No, I don't want "related results" that are completely unrelated to my query, This, but with LinkedIn and jobs
- westurner 4y ago- [ ] ENH: yt mobile app: Share search query urls - [ ] ENH,SCH: https://schema.org/MediaObject https://schema.org/MediaObject and search cards - [ ] UBY: search: transcript search snippets
- 2143 4y ago> neither results from my country This. There's a lot youtubers from my country who has crap content presented in a cringey way. Like, if I search for "second order vibrations in internal combustion engine", I get hundreds of people explaining it in local languages I don't even speak, in a way that's targeted at college students cramming for finals (think equations on a notepad without explaining what physically goes on). Makes me wanna leave this place. That would be funny, isn't it? Emigrating because local YouTube content is cringe. (I turned off all tracking things that can be turned off from their UI, but I suppose they can still figure out where I'm from unless I use a VPN).
- Akronymus 4y agoWhat? Next you're gonna tell me you dislike auto translations of video titles? (I seeming can't completely disable that annoying "feature")
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4y agoThere is a way to avoid "related results". Search from the command line using a simpler HTTP client to retrieve the first batch of results and use the public API to retrieve subsequent results as JSON into a results file. Using this method I can retrieve the full number of possible results, e.g., hundreds or thousands, not simply the first batch, e.g., 15, 25 or whatever. I call this "continuation" searching. No Javascript is required. When people use highly complex graphical browsers and Javascript to make these requests it is sometimes triggered by a "button" at the bottom of a page called "more results" or something similar. Alternatively the requests may be triggered automatically when down scrolling, producing what some people call an "inifinite scroll" effect. Javascript is usually what produces the annoyances people experience. It is also used for tracking and telemetry. The token for the public API to retrieve the next batch of results is the results file. Using a simpler HTTP client, I can (a) search YouTube very quickly and comprehensively entirely from the command line, (b) download videos without ever visiting a YouTube page in a graphical browser and being exposed to annoyances, tracking and telemetry (c) switch from retrieving via search string to retrieving via channel name, (d) mix the search and channel results into a single results file, (e) output a TSV table from the results file. Currently I include the following fields in the TSV table: YouTubeID Title ChannelName Duration SearchString/ChannelPath Search/Channel The last field is just an indicator of whether the result is from a search or a channel. Videos are browsed and selected using a TSV table instead of an HTML search results page.^1 Because I am interested in videos of a certain duration, including "unpopular" videos with low view counts, I have found this is an optimal search method. No distractions. YouTube wants people to view popular, low quality, "viral" videos, e.g., "fake news", extremism and the like, because this "content" is optimal for their advertising business model. Hence automatic "recommendations". This is what makes YouTube search so horrible. Advertising as a "business model" for websites can influence design and have very harmful downstream effects. 1. The HTML pages for videos are where the "recommendations" come from. Thus I never see the recommendations as they are not part of this search/retrieval method. I could extract them from the HTML into a table if I wanted to see them, but I choose not to. I only extract the video download URLs from the pages for the videos.
- Veen 4y agoWe have a different understanding of the phrase “very easy”.
- v3v3 4y agoyoutube.com##ytd-shelf-renderer:has-text(/For you/) youtube.com##ytd-shelf-renderer:has-text(/New for you/) youtube.com##ytd-shelf-renderer:has-text(/People also watched/) youtube.com##ytd-shelf-renderer:has-text(/Previously watched/) youtube.com##ytd-horizontal-card-list-renderer:has-text(/People also search for/)
- turboponyy 4y agoI really don't understand this sentiment. All my queries return exactly the video I'm looking for - often times surprisingly well, even.
- usrn 4y agoIt's really odd, everyone said search was the main reason to put videos on YouTube instead of self hosting/with a CDN. I guess all they have now is inertia, kind of like the cable companies had.
- account42 4y ago> neither results from my country when I specifically type in English and my whole UI is in English and I never watch non-English content while logged in. Google in general is annoyingly insistent in localizing results. It used to be that google.com gave you english results and you would go to google.ccTLD to get a local experience. Then they changed it to google.com being localized by default (even though my browser is set to english) but you could click a link to go back to the english version from the home page. Now they even hide that link when you go the the home page via the google logo (why????) and you have to explicitly go to google.com/ without a hl query parameter. And of course the english results are still localized somewhat (e.g. it'll show the local Wikipedia anlong with the english one, even for articles that have fuck all to do with location).
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y agowww.google.com/ncr (No Country Redirect)
- account42 4y agoThat doesn't change anything here.
- niutech 4y agoYou can use Google search instead: https://www.google.com/search?q=whatever&tbm=vid&lr=lang_en&tbs=srcf:H4sIAAAAAAAAAB3JQQrAIAwF0dtkU_1BOUSLE1nyxidDbt3Y3j6lcJANnKuh0PAiPLD98jTQuUnOZyjt9onXl27HVYol9Q62CXo0lmMVHAAAA https://www.google.com/search?q=whatever&tbm=vid&lr=lang_en&...