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Well if you look at todays economy what do companies require? Fast and faster is the way. The schools are here to produce fast workers. There's hardly a day a y

Well if you look at todays economy what do companies require? Fast and faster is the way. The schools are here to produce fast workers. There's hardly a day a year where you can sit down and work on a project without time pressure.

Viliam1234 4y ago
Ah, the pleasures of agile development! There is never time to implement something properly, but at least we are sure that all developers are kept busy every week. If you think about the problem, discuss it, and then implement the solution properly, it's only one ticket. But if you make a half-assed solution, change it twice, and fix seven related bugs, that is ten tickets, with a potential to make even more tickets in the future.
- kadoban 4y ago
  Is that really what agile is in your experience? Who is preventing you from doing tickets that involve the real solution? Can you not write your own tickets? Are you pushed too much to size them too small or something?
  - Viliam1234 4y ago
    Agile is quite different in theory and in practice. In theory, it should be a replacement of management by autonomous developer teams making their own estimates and communicating directly with the customer. In practice, at least in my experience, it is just a buzzword and a set of empty rituals. In practice, if I write my own ticket, some manager will give it a priority 2. And the tickets with priority smaller than 1 never get done, because there are always enough tickets with priority 1, i.e. those written by the management. A few years later, when the project is decommissioned, the tickets with priority lower than 1 are still in the backlog. Of course, if having your ticket in the backlog makes you happy, just go ahead and make one. It is not how it should be done, in theory. Knowing that does not help much.
    - kadoban 4y ago
      That sucks. In my team that's not how it works. There's tickets I know we'll never get to, but things we do actually have time for get real attention, with enough focus and resources to do whatever solution is actually correct. There's often tradeoffs for time, but they're ones we have real input in.

Viliam1234 4y ago

Ah, the pleasures of agile development! There is never time to implement something properly, but at least we are sure that all developers are kept busy every week. If you think about the problem, discuss it, and then implement the solution properly, it's only one ticket. But if you make a half-assed solution, change it twice, and fix seven related bugs, that is ten tickets, with a potential to make even more tickets in the future.

kadoban 4y ago
Is that really what agile is in your experience? Who is preventing you from doing tickets that involve the real solution? Can you not write your own tickets? Are you pushed too much to size them too small or something?
- Viliam1234 4y ago
  Agile is quite different in theory and in practice. In theory, it should be a replacement of management by autonomous developer teams making their own estimates and communicating directly with the customer. In practice, at least in my experience, it is just a buzzword and a set of empty rituals. In practice, if I write my own ticket, some manager will give it a priority 2. And the tickets with priority smaller than 1 never get done, because there are always enough tickets with priority 1, i.e. those written by the management. A few years later, when the project is decommissioned, the tickets with priority lower than 1 are still in the backlog. Of course, if having your ticket in the backlog makes you happy, just go ahead and make one. It is not how it should be done, in theory. Knowing that does not help much.
  - kadoban 4y ago
    That sucks. In my team that's not how it works. There's tickets I know we'll never get to, but things we do actually have time for get real attention, with enough focus and resources to do whatever solution is actually correct. There's often tradeoffs for time, but they're ones we have real input in.