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Never underestimate the creative genius of Apple. They will come up with new solutions to keep their walled garden. "Allow users to install apps from third-par
by _the_inflator 4y ago
Never underestimate the creative genius of Apple. They will come up with new solutions to keep their walled garden.
"Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet"
I bet this is going to be a horrible user experience. "Are you really sure?", "Apple takes no responsibility not warranty" whatsoever.
What sound usually easy on paper...
- makeitdouble 4y agoThey backed out from these tricks in the Netherland standoff. As you guessed, it started with horrible wording, and has now became something way saner (albeit they kept their fees requirements)
- nradov 4y agoDenying warranty claims for that reason would already be illegal under existing laws in most developed countries.
- kmeisthax 4y agoYes, but there's few entities out there actually enforcing these kinds of laws. For example, if you ever use the manufacturer-sanctioned bootloader unlock on a Samsung phone, that blows a fuse in the phone that says "my warranty is void". Samsung refuses to service phones that have ever had their bootloaders unlocked, regardless of what was actually done to them. As far as I'm aware nobody has bothered to sue Samsung over this feature.
- makeitdouble 4y agoThis had me thinking. This might be a weird take, but if nobody was bothered enough to file an official complaint against Samsung, and have it reviewed and pushed through the process, is it a significant issue in the first place ? (Basically, I am making a "if a tree falls in a forest" argument)
- ocdtrekkie 4y agoThey didn't back out on these: They were forced to give them up in the Netherlands. And then, when South Korea passed a similar law... Apple has announced the same tricks the Netherlands refused to accept as their plan to comply with the South Korean law. You can bet they'll start playing the same games with the EU once this goes into effect. Regulating big tech requires not just passing the law, but a heavy handed enforcement that doesn't put up with delays and antics.
- mpweiher 4y ago> creative genius of Apple. You're forgetting the "no creative geniuses"-clause, aka repeated fines of 10-20% of worldwide turnover.
- warning26 4y agoDefinitely -- I can imagine them making it some kind of faustian bargain, where in exchange for enabling sideloading, you void your warranty, never get any software updates again, can't connect to any Apple online services whatsoever, etc.
- gamblor956 4y agoThat would violate the EU legislation as currently written.
- jacquesm 4y agoTech companies seem to believe that it is a neat trick to mislead regulators, in my opinion this is a serious mistake: regulators hold the power to destroy you and playing 'clever' may give you bragging rights but ultimately it can doom your company. Underestimating the power of nation states is a pretty dumb strategy for any company that relies on the cooperation of the countries they intend to do business with.
- grishka 4y ago> can't connect to any Apple online services whatsoever So what's the downside?
- veilrap 4y agoIf you don't want to use Apple services, why are you buying an Apple device? These facetious arguments make no sense.
- grishka 4y agoI use a Mac because the hardware is great and the software is least worst.
- Apocryphon 4y agoThere have always been Android users who don’t want Google services, spurring the creation of Cyanogen and Replicant and the like. Are you sure there are no equivalent users on iOS?
- illuminati1911 4y agoI don’t think fucking around with EU regulators is something Apple should do here. They’ll probably revenge even with stronger further regulations later.
- madeofpalk 4y agoI think they should fuck around and find out.
- _carbyau_ 4y agoPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes!
- lobocinza 4y ago"Wait 60 seconds to proceed"
- rootusrootus 4y agoI agree, it could be ugly. The GDPR is supposed to be great, but what practical impact did it have on most of us? Cookie consent dialogs everywhere.
- Epskampie 4y agoYou can request and get a full copy of your data anywhere, and be fully deleted if you want. Every company has become aware and afraid of data leaks because they are required to report them. The cookie banner thing is… unfortunate.
- oaiey 4y agoCookie consent is not gdpr.
- tester756 4y agoCookie consents predate GDPR. They're misused by sites. You don't need to show cookie consent if your cookies are purely technical (e.g auth)
- jacquesm 4y agoThe impact is: far fewer data breaches in the EU than before, fewer of them wiped under the carpet, security no longer seen as a cost but as an important element in the IT strategy and with a seat at the table during design, operation and decommission (and in many cases: at the C level). On the whole the change has been remarkable, the last four years have seen a sea change in how corporations look at data, security and compliance. If all you associate with the GDPR is cookie consent dialogs then maybe these discussions are not for you?
- wmeredith 4y ago> "Are you really sure?", "Apple takes no responsibility not warranty" Sounds good to me. As a techie who maintains several phones for several family members at a variety of tech-literate levels, I certainly hope this experience sucks and is difficult to figure out.
- dingleberry420 4y agoDon't worry, it won't be legal for Apple to void the warranty for this.
- sircastor 4y agoThe concern is not a voided warranty. The concern is tech-illiterate users being able to install some random app they found on the web. They find a special version of Facebook and install it, and now their phone is compromised.
- FredPret 4y agoWe techies vastly overestimate the technical nous of people who don’t care about it. For example, my dad, who has had decades of internet usage, tried to buy a USB drive that promised to speed up his computer for only $99. These folks need an app store.
- theshrike79 4y agoPeople also buy "mileage improvers" for their cars that are just a set of blinking lights that attach to to the OBD bus.
- itsoktocry 4y ago>They find a special version of Facebook and install it, and now their phone is compromised. The Android ecosystem is a bit of a cesspool, but surely even it isn't having major issues with swaths of people having their phone compromised, right? My parents aren't going to sideload an apk. I have faith that there's a way to do this right.
- astral303 4y agoYou know the walled garden is put up with good reason -- to keep fraud and abuse out? And that very few are actually capable of doing such a job, and the software industry has continually demonstrated the lack of that capability.