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OSM’s attribution is non-negotiable. It’s part of the Open Database Licence and also the Contributor Terms under which individual mappers agree that the OSM Fou

OSM’s attribution is non-negotiable. It’s part of the Open Database Licence and also the Contributor Terms under which individual mappers agree that the OSM Foundation can sublicense their work. There is no legal way around it save for contacting each individual mapper for permission… which is clearly impractical. By contrast, Mapbox ask for a credit as part of a commercial agreement, which by definition can be negotiated away. I guarantee if you call up Mapbox and offer them enough money, they’ll flex on their logo requirement. There is simply no legal way to do that with OSM.

Aeolun 4y ago
Of course, you can simply have a lot of money, and the OSMF would go bankrupt before you in any legal challenge.
- galoisgirl 4y ago
  > Of course, you can simply have a lot of money Instructions unclear, I'm broke.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  Is that really the way it is? No way for law to prevail, the one with more money always wins? What about individuals (!) winning cases against huge corporations, which comes up in the news periodically?
  - g_sch 4y ago
    It comes up in the news precisely because it's such an unusual occurrence. Lawfare by attrition is an extremely common tactic. Having more resources than your opponent can massively tilt the scales in your favor.
  - dhosek 4y ago
    The most money winning (and using lawsuits to stifle criticism) is very much a part of how society works these days (and arguably always has). See, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ... Money might not buy happiness but it buys an awful lot of power.
    - throwaway290 4y ago
      SLAPPs are bad, but Google any company + settled or lost lawsuits. For example, here're some I could find on McDonalds: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/mcdonalds-settles-discrimination-lawsuit-with-herb-washington.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/mcdonalds-settles-discrimina... https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/operations/mcdonalds-settles-one-its-discrimination-lawsuits https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/operations/mcdonald... https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/former-mcdonalds-workers-win-15-million-class-action-sexual-harassment-lawsuit https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/former-mcdonalds-workers... The oldest of these is from end of last year. Edit: tone down phrasing
  - aliswe 4y ago
    Did you watch the "Bananas!" documentary, and its documentary aftermath documentary "Big boys gone bananas!" ? It's real good, and a good example of big corporations sometimes backing off, however unwillingly.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  OSMF is a British foundation, so this American assumption doesn't necessarily apply.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    I’m fairly certain it would still be extremely impractical for them to sue everyone that violates their license. There’s also little benefit to them, which makes it even more pointless.

Aeolun 4y ago

Of course, you can simply have a lot of money, and the OSMF would go bankrupt before you in any legal challenge.

galoisgirl 4y ago
> Of course, you can simply have a lot of money Instructions unclear, I'm broke.
throwaway290 4y ago
Is that really the way it is? No way for law to prevail, the one with more money always wins? What about individuals (!) winning cases against huge corporations, which comes up in the news periodically?
- g_sch 4y ago
  It comes up in the news precisely because it's such an unusual occurrence. Lawfare by attrition is an extremely common tactic. Having more resources than your opponent can massively tilt the scales in your favor.
- dhosek 4y ago
  The most money winning (and using lawsuits to stifle criticism) is very much a part of how society works these days (and arguably always has). See, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ... Money might not buy happiness but it buys an awful lot of power.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    SLAPPs are bad, but Google any company + settled or lost lawsuits. For example, here're some I could find on McDonalds: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/mcdonalds-settles-discrimination-lawsuit-with-herb-washington.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/mcdonalds-settles-discrimina... https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/operations/mcdonalds-settles-one-its-discrimination-lawsuits https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/operations/mcdonald... https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/former-mcdonalds-workers-win-15-million-class-action-sexual-harassment-lawsuit https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/former-mcdonalds-workers... The oldest of these is from end of last year. Edit: tone down phrasing
- aliswe 4y ago
  Did you watch the "Bananas!" documentary, and its documentary aftermath documentary "Big boys gone bananas!" ? It's real good, and a good example of big corporations sometimes backing off, however unwillingly.
Symbiote 4y ago
OSMF is a British foundation, so this American assumption doesn't necessarily apply.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  I’m fairly certain it would still be extremely impractical for them to sue everyone that violates their license. There’s also little benefit to them, which makes it even more pointless.