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Except for the part where you send me a message at 3 am about a work-related issue while I was placidly browsing Reddit and now you made me worry about work-rel

Except for the part where you send me a message at 3 am about a work-related issue while I was placidly browsing Reddit and now you made me worry about work-related issues while on leisure time. Work-related messages during working hours, please.

texaslonghorn5 4y ago
I agree, to be clear I continue to schedule messages despite my inner dialogue.
TameAntelope 4y ago
No. Manage your own messaging systems, don't put that extra work onto others, as not everyone has the same schedule as you.
- eastbound 4y ago
  In France, the law says the employer must use an email platform that disables communication during non-working hours. Yes, it exists. Yes, no-one can notify the guy on duty because no-one can send him emails.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Eventually, policies like these lead to “don’t hire employees in France”. At which point, no French employees are even bothered by employers on their free time again...
    - shaky-carrousel 4y ago
      Ah, you say "don't hire employees in France" but it reads "don't grab slaves in France". If worker's rights are an issue for you, those people in France are better without your "job", thank you very much. There are many many other jobs without near-slavery conditions, luckily.
      - TameAntelope 4y ago
        Yeah, "This guy is great but we will have a hard time contacting him spontaneously after hours so I guess it's back to the hiring pool!" ...is not a sentence that'd be said very often/ever.
- shaky-carrousel 4y ago
  No, manage your own life. You work with me, you should know my schedule. And if you don't, consult it in the timetable. Your laziness is no excuse.
TrickyRick 4y ago
You've never worked in an org with more than one time zone, have you?
- shaky-carrousel 4y ago
  Yes, and in any minimally organized company, the schedules are posted in a spreadsheet, so everyone knows when the other person is available.
matwood 4y ago
Whose work hours? Times have changed where many people no longer have the same 8ish work hour overlap. There are tz differences and Flex Time. It’s up to you to manage your messages.
- shaky-carrousel 4y ago
  Ah, no. The schedules are available for everyone to see. In many countries it is illegal to send work messages outside of working hours. Which should be common sense, but the fact it had to be made law shows that common sense is less common than it should.
  - matwood 4y ago
    That only works 1:1. What about groups? Can I not post Slack messages to a group channel unless everyone is within their working hours? What about email? What if you're in a different locale temporarily for some reason? No, if you don't want notifications outside your own personal work schedule, then it's up to you to manage them. With the freedom of remote work and flexible schedules, comes the responsibility to manage your own notifications.
    - shaky-carrousel 4y ago
      > That only works 1:1. What about groups? Check the table for all members. Can I not post Slack messages to a group channel unless everyone is within their working hours? Nope. What about email? What if you're in a different locale temporarily for some reason? Same. > No, if you don't want notifications outside your own personal work schedule, then it's up to you to manage them. Nope. Don't push your duties over other people. It's lazy. You should not message people outside working hours. As I said, it's common sense. Not so common, seems, seeing people like you, insisting on carelessly spam other people because they are too lazy to check a table. And I repeat, it's even illegal in a bunch of first world countries to send anything, even an email outside of working hours. So please, don't be that guy, respect other people's free time.

texaslonghorn5 4y ago

I agree, to be clear I continue to schedule messages despite my inner dialogue.

TameAntelope 4y ago

No. Manage your own messaging systems, don't put that extra work onto others, as not everyone has the same schedule as you.

eastbound 4y ago
In France, the law says the employer must use an email platform that disables communication during non-working hours. Yes, it exists. Yes, no-one can notify the guy on duty because no-one can send him emails.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  Eventually, policies like these lead to “don’t hire employees in France”. At which point, no French employees are even bothered by employers on their free time again...
  - shaky-carrousel 4y ago
    Ah, you say "don't hire employees in France" but it reads "don't grab slaves in France". If worker's rights are an issue for you, those people in France are better without your "job", thank you very much. There are many many other jobs without near-slavery conditions, luckily.
    - TameAntelope 4y ago
      Yeah, "This guy is great but we will have a hard time contacting him spontaneously after hours so I guess it's back to the hiring pool!" ...is not a sentence that'd be said very often/ever.
shaky-carrousel 4y ago
No, manage your own life. You work with me, you should know my schedule. And if you don't, consult it in the timetable. Your laziness is no excuse.

TrickyRick 4y ago

You've never worked in an org with more than one time zone, have you?

shaky-carrousel 4y ago
Yes, and in any minimally organized company, the schedules are posted in a spreadsheet, so everyone knows when the other person is available.

matwood 4y ago

Whose work hours? Times have changed where many people no longer have the same 8ish work hour overlap. There are tz differences and Flex Time. It’s up to you to manage your messages.

shaky-carrousel 4y ago
Ah, no. The schedules are available for everyone to see. In many countries it is illegal to send work messages outside of working hours. Which should be common sense, but the fact it had to be made law shows that common sense is less common than it should.
- matwood 4y ago
  That only works 1:1. What about groups? Can I not post Slack messages to a group channel unless everyone is within their working hours? What about email? What if you're in a different locale temporarily for some reason? No, if you don't want notifications outside your own personal work schedule, then it's up to you to manage them. With the freedom of remote work and flexible schedules, comes the responsibility to manage your own notifications.
  - shaky-carrousel 4y ago
    > That only works 1:1. What about groups? Check the table for all members. Can I not post Slack messages to a group channel unless everyone is within their working hours? Nope. What about email? What if you're in a different locale temporarily for some reason? Same. > No, if you don't want notifications outside your own personal work schedule, then it's up to you to manage them. Nope. Don't push your duties over other people. It's lazy. You should not message people outside working hours. As I said, it's common sense. Not so common, seems, seeing people like you, insisting on carelessly spam other people because they are too lazy to check a table. And I repeat, it's even illegal in a bunch of first world countries to send anything, even an email outside of working hours. So please, don't be that guy, respect other people's free time.