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If we’re going to try to have autonomous vehicles, at some point these things have to be tested on real roads. Would you rather have a real human behind the whe

If we’re going to try to have autonomous vehicles, at some point these things have to be tested on real roads. Would you rather have a real human behind the wheel to take over in an instant or just have the computer plow through whatever if there’s a bug? When you are driving tesla “autopilot” you are still liable for everything the car does, you still need to be attentive just like you normally would. If the car crashes despite that, then you weren’t paying enough attention and that is your fault. In my experience any time it did something stupid, there was always plenty of time for me to take over and easily avoid an accident. In other words, it’s not going to rapidly swerve into oncoming traffic at 70mph. If you don’t want to accept the legal risk of what your car does on beta autopilot software or don’t want to continue paying attention to the roads while on autopilot then you shouldn’t be using it.

LtWorf 4y ago
You get way more distracted if you are doing nothing rather than if you're actually doing something. So I'd expect the reaction times for people to stop an autopilot from killing them are actually much higher than the reaction times of a driver.
- jliptzin 4y ago
  Then they should not be using autopilot. When I have autopilot engaged I am way more alert. Also you aren’t “doing nothing” when you have autopilot engaged. The car annoys you if it doesn’t sense any force on the wheel within 10 seconds and even if you are looking at your phone (or anywhere other than the road) the car annoys you too (yes there’s a camera in the cabin looking at you when you’re on autopilot).
  - ahahahahah 4y ago
    So what you mean is that Tesla should be using trained safety drivers like real AV companies do? Also, to be clear, you are either lying or misinformed about the behavior if autopilot as far as detecting engaged driving goes.
  - LtWorf 4y ago
    > When I have autopilot engaged I am way more alert Hm… so what's the point?
    - jliptzin 4y ago
      The point is acknowledging that over a million people die per year on the roads due to human error and trying to help beta test software that would help bring that number down over 90% so that our kids can have a better future.
nradov 4y ago
Before testing on real roads, these things should be tested in realistic closed environments. Tesla has been too cheap and lazy to take that basic safety measure.

LtWorf 4y ago

You get way more distracted if you are doing nothing rather than if you're actually doing something. So I'd expect the reaction times for people to stop an autopilot from killing them are actually much higher than the reaction times of a driver.

jliptzin 4y ago
Then they should not be using autopilot. When I have autopilot engaged I am way more alert. Also you aren’t “doing nothing” when you have autopilot engaged. The car annoys you if it doesn’t sense any force on the wheel within 10 seconds and even if you are looking at your phone (or anywhere other than the road) the car annoys you too (yes there’s a camera in the cabin looking at you when you’re on autopilot).
- ahahahahah 4y ago
  So what you mean is that Tesla should be using trained safety drivers like real AV companies do? Also, to be clear, you are either lying or misinformed about the behavior if autopilot as far as detecting engaged driving goes.
- LtWorf 4y ago
  > When I have autopilot engaged I am way more alert Hm… so what's the point?
  - jliptzin 4y ago
    The point is acknowledging that over a million people die per year on the roads due to human error and trying to help beta test software that would help bring that number down over 90% so that our kids can have a better future.

nradov 4y ago

Before testing on real roads, these things should be tested in realistic closed environments. Tesla has been too cheap and lazy to take that basic safety measure.