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Was the train running a red light? This seems confusing for a human driver, too. I'm usually looking for cars and pedestrians, not trains when turning left.

mathieuh 4y ago
It’s a tram, not a train, and many cities have trams as part of their public transport system
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  Though many cities have them they're sort of glossed over in drivers ed and it clearly shows at times.
  - zelos 4y ago
    Do people really need a lesson to know not to turn just in front of a tram?
    - mrlonglong 4y ago
      People still do despite knowing this. Loss of licence is the only cure. My biggest peeve are idiots pulling in too close in front of a 44 ton truck just so they can turn left.
      - soco 4y ago
        To many the loss of own car is a good enough cure. Trams can rarely pull a full stop in that time.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      If they do it may end up being a very permanent lesson, those things may look flimsy but they definitely aren't. A frontal collision between a truck and a tram in Amsterdam left the tram without so much as a dent, though it did have a couple of scratches in the paint work. The truck could have served as a mold to cast trams from.
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        Off topic, but ~40 years back, I saw a Dodge pickup truck rear-end a Miata. It stove in the whole front of the truck, leaving the Mazda unscratched. Working as Designed.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        Funny, that at first glance it looked like that was going to go the other way. I've seen a similar accident with a two decades old Volvo being hit 'midships' by a recent model Citroen, in spite of their respective reputation for safety that did not at all came out the way I expected. The passenger compartment in modern cars is quite amazing with respect to the kind of crash it can be in and your expectation to be able to open all four doors.
    - MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
      Turning in front of them, cutting them off, passing when doors are open and people are getting off, driving in the reserved lanes (sometimes even getting stuck!). Yes, people are idiots around them. Toronto even has a tunnel for streetcars that's infamous for it: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/enough-is-enough-ttc-to-install-gates-after-yet-another-vehicle-drives-into-streetcar-tunnel-1.3847349 https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/enough-is-enough-ttc-to-ins... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/about-25-cars-have-driven-down-queens-quay-tunnel-tracks-since-2014-ttc-says-1.4571477 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/about-25-cars-have-dr... Installing a gate didn't even stop one driver: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queen-quay-streetcar-tunnel-suv-union-station-1.5435760 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queen-quay-streetcar-...
NelsonMinar 4y ago
Did you watch the video? There's absolutely nothing confusing about the tram coming towards the Tesla, whether it has the right-of-way or not. And there's nothing in the video that suggests the tram was running a red light.
- Closi 4y ago
  > And there's nothing in the video that suggests the tram was running a red light. There's also a set of green lights in the video that suggests that the tram was absolutely fine to go! And an autopilot video showing it knew the train was there and still went anyway, despite also thinking that it was two unconnected busses. IMO it looks to me, from looking at the screen, that it's just not factoring in the fact it's going to accelerate like it is - because it's a train. Even if it was a bus though, Autopilot is cutting that bus up.
- ginko 4y ago
  >whether it has the right-of-way or not Trams usually have the right-of-way. If not by the law of the land then at the very least by the laws of physics.
hristov 4y ago
No it was not. If you get a green light without a green left arrow this means that you can turn left only if you yield to on coming traffic. This is a pretty basic traffic rule. The tram had a green light. The tesla had a green light but it had to wait for the opposing lane to be clear before it could go.

mathieuh 4y ago

It’s a tram, not a train, and many cities have trams as part of their public transport system

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
Though many cities have them they're sort of glossed over in drivers ed and it clearly shows at times.
- zelos 4y ago
  Do people really need a lesson to know not to turn just in front of a tram?
  - mrlonglong 4y ago
    People still do despite knowing this. Loss of licence is the only cure. My biggest peeve are idiots pulling in too close in front of a 44 ton truck just so they can turn left.
    - soco 4y ago
      To many the loss of own car is a good enough cure. Trams can rarely pull a full stop in that time.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    If they do it may end up being a very permanent lesson, those things may look flimsy but they definitely aren't. A frontal collision between a truck and a tram in Amsterdam left the tram without so much as a dent, though it did have a couple of scratches in the paint work. The truck could have served as a mold to cast trams from.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      Off topic, but ~40 years back, I saw a Dodge pickup truck rear-end a Miata. It stove in the whole front of the truck, leaving the Mazda unscratched. Working as Designed.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        Funny, that at first glance it looked like that was going to go the other way. I've seen a similar accident with a two decades old Volvo being hit 'midships' by a recent model Citroen, in spite of their respective reputation for safety that did not at all came out the way I expected. The passenger compartment in modern cars is quite amazing with respect to the kind of crash it can be in and your expectation to be able to open all four doors.
  - MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
    Turning in front of them, cutting them off, passing when doors are open and people are getting off, driving in the reserved lanes (sometimes even getting stuck!). Yes, people are idiots around them. Toronto even has a tunnel for streetcars that's infamous for it: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/enough-is-enough-ttc-to-install-gates-after-yet-another-vehicle-drives-into-streetcar-tunnel-1.3847349 https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/enough-is-enough-ttc-to-ins... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/about-25-cars-have-driven-down-queens-quay-tunnel-tracks-since-2014-ttc-says-1.4571477 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/about-25-cars-have-dr... Installing a gate didn't even stop one driver: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queen-quay-streetcar-tunnel-suv-union-station-1.5435760 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queen-quay-streetcar-...

NelsonMinar 4y ago

Did you watch the video? There's absolutely nothing confusing about the tram coming towards the Tesla, whether it has the right-of-way or not. And there's nothing in the video that suggests the tram was running a red light.

Closi 4y ago
> And there's nothing in the video that suggests the tram was running a red light. There's also a set of green lights in the video that suggests that the tram was absolutely fine to go! And an autopilot video showing it knew the train was there and still went anyway, despite also thinking that it was two unconnected busses. IMO it looks to me, from looking at the screen, that it's just not factoring in the fact it's going to accelerate like it is - because it's a train. Even if it was a bus though, Autopilot is cutting that bus up.
ginko 4y ago
>whether it has the right-of-way or not Trams usually have the right-of-way. If not by the law of the land then at the very least by the laws of physics.

hristov 4y ago

No it was not. If you get a green light without a green left arrow this means that you can turn left only if you yield to on coming traffic. This is a pretty basic traffic rule. The tram had a green light. The tesla had a green light but it had to wait for the opposing lane to be clear before it could go.