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> And yet a single Police incident gone wrong will completely overshadow the reality of this. that's because when the police kill people, there are no repercus

by zzzeek 4y ago

> And yet a single Police incident gone wrong will completely overshadow the reality of this. that's because when the police kill people, there are no repercussions for them, no matter how much obvious bias, incompetence, disregard for human life, and malice is apparent in their activity. police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted. The George Floyd murder required that it was videoed from start to finish for there to be any chance of an actual criminal trial proceeding. All of the police murders that we hear about now are all news because there is now video. Think of all the decades and decades when there was no video, how many people must have been murdered on a whim, without the event even being considered a crime. But even today, obviously immensely negligent acts, such as the murders of Tamir Rice and Eric Garner, still basically have zero repercussions for their killers. This is nothing like the usual "murder rate", where the violence that occurs between people who are not cops is all considered to be crime, and is handled as such. There's no disagreement on what justice looks like. Murder is bad, but aribtrary murder by state actors with no accountability is worse. > Imagine being a police officer risking your life every single day. please review the accounts of Uvalde as children and teachers were murdered over an hour while heavily armed and armored police stood around and did nothing but prevent anyone else from being able to help. There are many ordinary jobs that are statistically much more dangerous than that of the police including things like roofing, truck driving, construction (source: OSHA https://www.invictuslawpc.com/most-dangerous-jobs-osha/ https://www.invictuslawpc.com/most-dangerous-jobs-osha/)

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daenz 4y ago
>police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted Same with medical professionals. Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. It generally isn't criminal if they make a judgement that results in someone's death. There's been a number of serial killers in medicine because we give medical professionals the benefit of the doubt due to the nature of the profession. My point is that these professions aren't your average jobs. It's normal for doctors and police to deal with life and death, and to make decisions that could set off a sequence of events that quickly results in death. So either we have to say that nobody deserves to make these decisions, or we have to hold them to realistic standards.
- robonerd 4y ago
  > Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. Indeed, and it doesn't show up on the CDC's leading causes of death list, even though it should rank in third place. > Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ, surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year. > The Johns Hopkins team says the CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics fails to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_su... Personally, I think unchallenged hero worship of medical professionals has something to do with it. Similar to the way widespread [albeit less universal] hero worship also shields police.
- Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
  >we have to hold them to realistic standards. Yes, absolutely. That's what needs to start happening with regard to police. You've understood perfectly.
  - daenz 4y ago
    Do you think that police are held to lower or higher standards than medical professionals?
    - drekk 4y ago
      How long does a cop go to school for? Do medical professionals have qualified immunity?
      - daenz 4y ago
        Doctors acting on behalf of the state, like prison doctors, do in fact have qualified immunity. The profession is not the pre-requisite, it's being employed by the state. So it's not as simple as the implication that only police have it. 0. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/dec/15/contract-physicians-entitled-to-qualified-immunity/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/dec/15/contract-ph...
mdp2021 4y ago
> aribtrary murder by state actors with no accountability is worse It is treason. (It is abuse of the powers assigned by the State.)

by zzzeek 4y ago

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daenz 4y ago

>police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted Same with medical professionals. Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. It generally isn't criminal if they make a judgement that results in someone's death. There's been a number of serial killers in medicine because we give medical professionals the benefit of the doubt due to the nature of the profession. My point is that these professions aren't your average jobs. It's normal for doctors and police to deal with life and death, and to make decisions that could set off a sequence of events that quickly results in death. So either we have to say that nobody deserves to make these decisions, or we have to hold them to realistic standards.

robonerd 4y ago
> Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. Indeed, and it doesn't show up on the CDC's leading causes of death list, even though it should rank in third place. > Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ, surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year. > The Johns Hopkins team says the CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics fails to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_su... Personally, I think unchallenged hero worship of medical professionals has something to do with it. Similar to the way widespread [albeit less universal] hero worship also shields police.
Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
>we have to hold them to realistic standards. Yes, absolutely. That's what needs to start happening with regard to police. You've understood perfectly.
- daenz 4y ago
  Do you think that police are held to lower or higher standards than medical professionals?
  - drekk 4y ago
    How long does a cop go to school for? Do medical professionals have qualified immunity?
    - daenz 4y ago
      Doctors acting on behalf of the state, like prison doctors, do in fact have qualified immunity. The profession is not the pre-requisite, it's being employed by the state. So it's not as simple as the implication that only police have it. 0. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/dec/15/contract-physicians-entitled-to-qualified-immunity/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/dec/15/contract-ph...

mdp2021 4y ago

> aribtrary murder by state actors with no accountability is worse It is treason. (It is abuse of the powers assigned by the State.)