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There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids: 1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and

There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids: 1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and dicipline they never had themselves. They will have endless stories about how their childhood was tough, and they had to talk to school and home 10 miles, alone, thorugh the snow, and it was uphill both ways 2 - Adults that 'care', by helicoptering over kids and try to shape them into a career they wish they pursued themselves. In practice they rob kids of all agency and don;t let them gow. These guys are like a 'left-wing' version of the above, for lack fo a better metaphor. 3 - Adults that actually respect children as people with independant thoughts and emotional needs - seem to be a minority.

collegeburner 4y ago
- sdf4j 4y ago
  Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.
- derekp7 4y ago
  I can't say if your opinion is supported or refuted by biological science facts, but I can give you a piece of anecdata. I tended towards being a night owl in my teens up through maybe mid 30's. In high school I'd stay up late reading, or watching episodes of Dr. Who on PBS, or pounding away on my PCjr figuring out 8088 assembly language programming. I guess that you can say that was about as useless as "staying up late playing video games", however it did lead to a successful computer career. But the reason for working into the night was that my brain would start to kick into high gear after the day's activities. I would get into a "flow" state, and want to keep going. In the mornings I could barely think straight enough to tie my shoes, and was always tired. Even if I went to bed early I couldn't fall asleep because my mind kept racing. Now I did fairly poorly in high school, but things turned around dramatically when I started community college. Two reasons -- first, I was treated like an adult. Didn't have to ask for the teacher's blessing so that I may use the washroom. Could set my own class schedule, where taking evening courses allowed me to work during the day and got me out of the TV habit at night (that is where I learned that "Prime Time Fall Lineup" really didn't mater if I missed it). But the biggest change for me (that really doesn't work for kids these days) is that my job paid enough that I could pay my school tuition. And let me tell you something, when it was my hard earned money paying for the classes you can bet your bottom dollar that I worked my posterior off to get good grades.
- yesco 4y ago
  I'm not sure how making children get up earlier in the morning builds character? It seems like a very silly assertion to me, and not one motivated by self-improvement.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
  Science proves you wrong. UK law says high school starts at 10 am because it's actually better for their age
- sensanaty 4y ago
  I'm in my mid-20s with an entire childhood of very early mornings - I can still barely get out of bed until around 10am, and even if I manage to somehow do that I've got the brain function of a goldfish for about half an hour. Nothing to do with silly ideas about 'character' or anything dumb like that, turns out people are different and have different biological clocks that make them tick, who'd'a thunk it
- stewartmcgown 4y ago
  should be in school by 7am or it won't build character? 65% of kids in America are driven to school by their parents. the socioeconomic state of that country including mass, sprawling suburbanisation with inherent car-addiction has made it very difficult for children to achieve even a modicum of agency in their lives. I do not find it surprising the way it is impacting on American children. source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw
- rascul 4y ago
  What does it even mean to build character? Seems like people just use that phrase to justify forcing other people to do undesirable things.
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
  > Discipline matters, kids should be getting in school by 7 AM in school or they will never develop character. ... > If we let them get up later than the sun that is what will happen. Where I live, the last day of high school this year was June 10th and the sun rose on that day at 4:27 AM. Is that when students should be getting up? On December 23rd before the Christmas holidays the sun rose at 8:55 AM. Is that when students should be getting up?

collegeburner 4y ago

sdf4j 4y ago
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.
derekp7 4y ago
I can't say if your opinion is supported or refuted by biological science facts, but I can give you a piece of anecdata. I tended towards being a night owl in my teens up through maybe mid 30's. In high school I'd stay up late reading, or watching episodes of Dr. Who on PBS, or pounding away on my PCjr figuring out 8088 assembly language programming. I guess that you can say that was about as useless as "staying up late playing video games", however it did lead to a successful computer career. But the reason for working into the night was that my brain would start to kick into high gear after the day's activities. I would get into a "flow" state, and want to keep going. In the mornings I could barely think straight enough to tie my shoes, and was always tired. Even if I went to bed early I couldn't fall asleep because my mind kept racing. Now I did fairly poorly in high school, but things turned around dramatically when I started community college. Two reasons -- first, I was treated like an adult. Didn't have to ask for the teacher's blessing so that I may use the washroom. Could set my own class schedule, where taking evening courses allowed me to work during the day and got me out of the TV habit at night (that is where I learned that "Prime Time Fall Lineup" really didn't mater if I missed it). But the biggest change for me (that really doesn't work for kids these days) is that my job paid enough that I could pay my school tuition. And let me tell you something, when it was my hard earned money paying for the classes you can bet your bottom dollar that I worked my posterior off to get good grades.
yesco 4y ago
I'm not sure how making children get up earlier in the morning builds character? It seems like a very silly assertion to me, and not one motivated by self-improvement.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
Science proves you wrong. UK law says high school starts at 10 am because it's actually better for their age
sensanaty 4y ago
I'm in my mid-20s with an entire childhood of very early mornings - I can still barely get out of bed until around 10am, and even if I manage to somehow do that I've got the brain function of a goldfish for about half an hour. Nothing to do with silly ideas about 'character' or anything dumb like that, turns out people are different and have different biological clocks that make them tick, who'd'a thunk it
stewartmcgown 4y ago
should be in school by 7am or it won't build character? 65% of kids in America are driven to school by their parents. the socioeconomic state of that country including mass, sprawling suburbanisation with inherent car-addiction has made it very difficult for children to achieve even a modicum of agency in their lives. I do not find it surprising the way it is impacting on American children. source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw
rascul 4y ago
What does it even mean to build character? Seems like people just use that phrase to justify forcing other people to do undesirable things.
CogitoCogito 4y ago
> Discipline matters, kids should be getting in school by 7 AM in school or they will never develop character. ... > If we let them get up later than the sun that is what will happen. Where I live, the last day of high school this year was June 10th and the sun rose on that day at 4:27 AM. Is that when students should be getting up? On December 23rd before the Christmas holidays the sun rose at 8:55 AM. Is that when students should be getting up?