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Hear hear. A much better worded explanation than my soul would allow. I’m dumbfounded when the observation is made. On the one hand, if it’s just common sense

by jemski 4y ago

Hear hear. A much better worded explanation than my soul would allow. I’m dumbfounded when the observation is made. On the one hand, if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? The second part is always left out. Probably rarely on purpose, but always to the benefit of the aggressor.

adventured 4y ago
> if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? Of course and "we" do fight them as a matter of routine, and "we" win frequently too. If that weren't the case, the EPA wouldn't exist, OSHA wouldn't exist, the FDA wouldn't exist, the FAA wouldn't exist, the 40 hour work week wouldn't exist, automobiles wouldn't have a vast number of legally mandated safety requirements, building codes wouldn't exist, and so on and so forth.
- MikeTheGreat 4y ago
  > the EPA wouldn't exist It's worth pointing out that the recent Supreme Court case [1] may have changed this back to what large corporations and Republicans have wanted; the precendent that the case sets may then enable Republicans to dismantle the rest of the agencies you mentioned [2] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530 [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530#writing-20-1530_DISSENT_6 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530#writin...
- jdgoesmarching 4y ago
  The few wins we managed to secure decades ago pale in comparisons to the thousands of legislative and judicial victories corporations have won and continue to win since. Even your EPA example was just whittled down by the Supreme Court It’s not comparable, we rarely win. I’m not sure why you surround “we” in quotes, because the people benefiting from this arrangement represent an extremely small number and it’s unlikely you’re among them.

by jemski 4y ago

adventured 4y ago

> if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? Of course and "we" do fight them as a matter of routine, and "we" win frequently too. If that weren't the case, the EPA wouldn't exist, OSHA wouldn't exist, the FDA wouldn't exist, the FAA wouldn't exist, the 40 hour work week wouldn't exist, automobiles wouldn't have a vast number of legally mandated safety requirements, building codes wouldn't exist, and so on and so forth.

MikeTheGreat 4y ago
> the EPA wouldn't exist It's worth pointing out that the recent Supreme Court case [1] may have changed this back to what large corporations and Republicans have wanted; the precendent that the case sets may then enable Republicans to dismantle the rest of the agencies you mentioned [2] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530 [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530#writing-20-1530_DISSENT_6 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530#writin...
jdgoesmarching 4y ago
The few wins we managed to secure decades ago pale in comparisons to the thousands of legislative and judicial victories corporations have won and continue to win since. Even your EPA example was just whittled down by the Supreme Court It’s not comparable, we rarely win. I’m not sure why you surround “we” in quotes, because the people benefiting from this arrangement represent an extremely small number and it’s unlikely you’re among them.