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> Physical UIs can be more intuitive and usable than screens A thousand times this. Not related to guitars, but I do a lot of off-roading and the multimedia s

by mhfs 4y ago

> Physical UIs can be more intuitive and usable than screens A thousand times this. Not related to guitars, but I do a lot of off-roading and the multimedia system is only controlled by the big screen. In bumpy roads it's a trial and error operation to skip a song. Give me my previous/next physical buttons back.

moron4hire 4y ago
This is exactly why I bought a Mazda after loving my previous Subaru to death. Between when I bought my Forester and when I went to replace it, Subaru had gone all in on touch screen interfaces. Meanwhile, Mazda had declared they would never, citing studies they increase road hazard more than drinking alcohol.
danielvaughn 4y ago
It just seems so insane to me that cars are even allowed to have touch screens. The last thing I want to do is to be forced to take my eyes away from the road in order to push a button on my dashboard. I'll never buy a vehicle with a touch screen.
- asdff 4y ago
  Plus its like the worst touchscreen tech imaginable. Cars if they are going to have a touchscreen, should have that 15 year old blackberry storm touch screen tech with faux button haptics.
dizhn 4y ago
My old portable CD player had perfected this skipping thing. Didn't even need user input.
squarefoot 4y ago
>> Physical UIs can be more intuitive and usable than screens > A thousand times this. A million times this, also for safety concerns. The folks at Space-X are not idiots, and they put shiny touch screens in the Crew Dragon spacecraft also for the press to "ooooh! Look at that, ...just like our cellphones!", but all important controls are also behind real physical buttons and joysticks. A touch screen looks amazing and so futuristic, until the moment something hits it in the wrong spot and they lose all instrumentation and controls in one shot. For important stuff I'll always take traditional rugged controls over touch screens.
- copperx 4y ago
  > A touch screen looks amazing and so futuristic Not true. If you examine sci-fi movies from the 1960s onwards, you'll learn that the most futuristic-looking interfaces have the most buttons and physical affordances. Touchscreens were never regarded as futuristic, and thus rarely depicted in sci-fi.
  - wyre 4y ago
    I remember seeing touch screens in sci-fi when the touchscreen is a large table or when the touchscreen is being projected into air.
  - squarefoot 4y ago
    That could be because filmmakers didn't know about their existence. SciFi predicts a lot but also borrows from current knowledge; for example, we've seen black holes depicted in different ways according to the knowledge of the time of the writing/filming. Also, for many years before touch screens became reality the only known direct interaction with a screen was like a light pen, whose operation was slow and clumsy (can't "push" more than a "button" at the same time, wires, etc) which could have discouraged the idea suggesting to wait until the idea of operating screens directly using hands was conceived and became popular; probably in ST TNG LCARS interface. https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/epics/TNG-S4/S4E3/TNG-S4E3-65.jpg https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/epics/TNG-S4/S4E3/TNG-...
- jimnotgym 4y ago
  Yet their colleagues at Tesla did the opposite and put everything on the tablet
copperx 4y ago
> Give me my previous/next physical buttons back. That's not a guarantee of anything. For example, the BOSS Katana line of digital amplifiers has physical knobs. Of course, the knobs are digital rotary encoders. But do they have a display like most? No. So you have no idea of what you dialed in at a glance. It's easier to connect your phone through the USB port to the amplifier and manipulate everything through the app. It's appalling.

by mhfs 4y ago

moron4hire 4y ago

This is exactly why I bought a Mazda after loving my previous Subaru to death. Between when I bought my Forester and when I went to replace it, Subaru had gone all in on touch screen interfaces. Meanwhile, Mazda had declared they would never, citing studies they increase road hazard more than drinking alcohol.

danielvaughn 4y ago

It just seems so insane to me that cars are even allowed to have touch screens. The last thing I want to do is to be forced to take my eyes away from the road in order to push a button on my dashboard. I'll never buy a vehicle with a touch screen.

asdff 4y ago
Plus its like the worst touchscreen tech imaginable. Cars if they are going to have a touchscreen, should have that 15 year old blackberry storm touch screen tech with faux button haptics.

dizhn 4y ago

My old portable CD player had perfected this skipping thing. Didn't even need user input.

squarefoot 4y ago

>> Physical UIs can be more intuitive and usable than screens > A thousand times this. A million times this, also for safety concerns. The folks at Space-X are not idiots, and they put shiny touch screens in the Crew Dragon spacecraft also for the press to "ooooh! Look at that, ...just like our cellphones!", but all important controls are also behind real physical buttons and joysticks. A touch screen looks amazing and so futuristic, until the moment something hits it in the wrong spot and they lose all instrumentation and controls in one shot. For important stuff I'll always take traditional rugged controls over touch screens.

copperx 4y ago
> A touch screen looks amazing and so futuristic Not true. If you examine sci-fi movies from the 1960s onwards, you'll learn that the most futuristic-looking interfaces have the most buttons and physical affordances. Touchscreens were never regarded as futuristic, and thus rarely depicted in sci-fi.
- wyre 4y ago
  I remember seeing touch screens in sci-fi when the touchscreen is a large table or when the touchscreen is being projected into air.
- squarefoot 4y ago
  That could be because filmmakers didn't know about their existence. SciFi predicts a lot but also borrows from current knowledge; for example, we've seen black holes depicted in different ways according to the knowledge of the time of the writing/filming. Also, for many years before touch screens became reality the only known direct interaction with a screen was like a light pen, whose operation was slow and clumsy (can't "push" more than a "button" at the same time, wires, etc) which could have discouraged the idea suggesting to wait until the idea of operating screens directly using hands was conceived and became popular; probably in ST TNG LCARS interface. https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/epics/TNG-S4/S4E3/TNG-S4E3-65.jpg https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/epics/TNG-S4/S4E3/TNG-...
jimnotgym 4y ago
Yet their colleagues at Tesla did the opposite and put everything on the tablet

copperx 4y ago

> Give me my previous/next physical buttons back. That's not a guarantee of anything. For example, the BOSS Katana line of digital amplifiers has physical knobs. Of course, the knobs are digital rotary encoders. But do they have a display like most? No. So you have no idea of what you dialed in at a glance. It's easier to connect your phone through the USB port to the amplifier and manipulate everything through the app. It's appalling.