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If you think jarred garlic isn't good, then don't use it. I had this conversation with my sister in-law a few months back. She prefers the fresh stuff -- and

If you think jarred garlic isn't good, then don't use it. I had this conversation with my sister in-law a few months back. She prefers the fresh stuff -- and so do I. She said she would never do use jarred garlic and suggested various tools to mince/crush fresh garlic. I thanked her for her advice and (possibly) said "Good. More for me." I use jarred garlic (a lot!) and buy it in quart (~900ml) containers. I don't have the physical issues the author of TFA has, I just have better things to do (and better things to spend my money on -- fresh garlic is significantly more expensive) than minced (or chopped) garlic when I'm cooking. As for the ableist angle, I'm not convinced. Because it's not really about not considering what others can/cannot do. Rather, it's about interacting with strangers online. For some reason, some (many?) people think it's normal and fine to rip into people they don't know online -- something most of those folks wouldn't dream of doing IRL. Don't like pre-minced garlic? Don't use it. We have (or at least we used to) have a word (actually, a bunch of them) for people who berate others for doing something they don't prefer: Jerk, asshole, busybody, obnoxious fuck, etc., etc., etc. I understand why that upsets people -- it annoys the hell out of me too. And well it should. But as I said, I'm not buying that it's somehow "ableist," in that I'm sure that most folks don't know (or care, for that matter) that the author of TFA has a physical issue that limits what she can do. Rather, they just take their own preferences (and in some cases, they may actually be "better" for some values of that word) and generalize their use case and preferences as "the right way. the only way." Which is ridiculous on its face. This isn't really about garlic. Or about ableism (which exists and can absolutely be an issue). It's about rude, obnoxious jerks who take their trained-in prejudices for the laws of nature. Unfortunately, many folks don't feel comfortable calling others out for their asshattery and instead internalize the abuse (and that's what it is) they've been subjected to. And more's the pity. Edit: Improved my prose.

toddmatthews 4y ago
my mom says, "don't yuck my yum"
- gwill 4y ago
  my family applies this to much more than food. helps make me less judgmental.
BugsJustFindMe 4y ago
> I use jarred garlic (a lot!) and buy it in quart (~900ml) containers. I want to use it, because it seems like such a convenience, but every time I buy a jar it tastes...weird/bad. I think because it's always mixed with citric acid to keep from oxidizing aggressively? But then it doesn't taste like garlic anymore. Is that something you experience too? Is there a remedy? Does it vary by brand?
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >I want to use it, because it seems like such a convenience, but every time I buy a jar it tastes...weird/bad. I suggest that you do whatever you want/prefer. As I said in a previous comment[0]: It's not that I find mincing fresh garlic onerous. Rather the taste difference (feel free to disagree, I don't mind -- please do exactly what you want to do) for me isn't big enough to compensate for the convenience (and lower cost) of dumping a couple spoonfuls of pre-minced (in water, not oil -- although if you prefer oil, then have at it) garlic and off you go. > Is that something you experience too? Is there a remedy? Does it vary by brand? Sort of. Yes, the flavor (if I eat it out of the jar) is a bit different, but once it's mixed into the dish I'm cooking, the difference isn't big enough for me to care. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407
  - radlad 4y ago
    In case you're wondering, you're likely being downvoted because the person you responded to asked, seemingly in good faith, if you had any tricks or tips for improving jarred garlic (e.g. by preparation or brand choice.) To respond by quoting the very comment they replied to comes off as unnecessarily defensive and doesn't seem to assume good faith.
    - nobody9999 4y ago
      >In case you're wondering, you're likely being downvoted because the person you responded to asked, seemingly in good faith, if you had any tricks or tips for improving jarred garlic (e.g. by preparation or brand choice.) I don't have any useful suggestions and said so. Should I lie? >To respond by quoting the very comment they replied to comes off as unnecessarily defensive and doesn't seem to assume good faith. Except the comment they replied to was this one[0] (I checked to make sure before responding), not the one I quoted[1]. In fact, GP posted their comment before I posted the comment I quoted. I will say that clicking the "parent" link in GP's post (as I did) would have confirmed the above for you. I know what's in my mind and I wrote in good faith only to express my thoughts and ideas. If other folks don't like what I say or how I say it, so be it. I don't require their (or yours, for that matter) approval. That's not an attack on you (or anyone else) or an attempt to be mean or unpleasant. It's just how I see it. I don't even resent the downvotes. People wiil do as they do, and unless there's a material impact on me, I don't really care. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31949856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31949856 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407
mr_gibbins 4y ago
Just a quick note, something my dad taught me. Break apart the garlic into segments, peel them then use a broad, flat kitchen knife and crush the garlic with the heel of your hand. Once crushed, gather together and finely chop. I've never gotten along with garlic crushers, they leave too much of the garlic in the tool and washing them is difficult.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >Just a quick note, something my dad taught me. Break apart the garlic into segments, peel them then use a broad, flat kitchen knife and crush the garlic with the heel of your hand. Once crushed, gather together and finely chop. Thank you for the suggestion. I am already aware of that method (as well as several others). It's not that I find mincing fresh garlic onerous. Rather the taste difference (feel free to disagree, I don't mind -- please do exactly what you want to do) for me isn't big enough to compensate for the convenience (and lower cost) of dumping a couple spoonfuls of pre-minced (in water, not oil -- although if you prefer oil, then have at it) garlic and off you go.
  - manmal 4y ago
    > feel free to disagree, I don't mind -- please do exactly what you want to do Meta: I think it goes without saying that readers will do whatever they want to. You telling the reader explicitly that they should do what they want can come across as passive-aggressive. Paradoxically, you _are_ telling them how they should behave by writing that.
    - deadbunny 4y ago
      Not GP but I just see it as preemptive defense as is so often needed online. "I like it this way" will often be interpreted as "I like it this way and if you disagree you're wrong!" leading to pointless flamewars.
      - blooalien 4y ago
        To me it seems that people who take "I like it this way" and extend it in their minds to include "…and if you disagree you're wrong!" when no such intent is likely are just actively looking for any excuse for an argument. Those people aren't worth engaging with further in my opinion. Just wasted energy/effort, and unwanted/unnecessary stress.
hinkley 4y ago
My partner is impatiently waiting for me to pull up the garlic I planted, which is not ready yet. First hot spell turned some leaves brown but that doesn't mean it's ready. She does use jarred garlic for some dishes, we still go through a lot of store bought garlic, but she says it's rather bland compared to the stuff from the garden. I haven't done a side by side comparison but I don't have any reason to doubt her. Transport stable crops tend to be lacking in other characters so that probably is a lot of it. But most heirloom and landrace garlic has to survive at least 4 months and preferably 6 in storage to be viable as seed garlic, so it's not like peaches or mulberries where you have to eat, cook or can them by day 2 or they're mush.
ValentineC 4y ago
> (and better things to spend my money on -- fresh garlic is significantly more expensive) than minced (or chopped) garlic when I'm cooking. This sounds like one of those few weird things in the US where the processed version's somehow cheaper. Fresh [1] garlic is around 1/2 the price of minced [2] here in Singapore. [1] https://www.amazon.sg/Thygrace-Whole-Garlic-200g-packaging/dp/B07JHJ61ZD/ https://www.amazon.sg/Thygrace-Whole-Garlic-200g-packaging/d... [2] https://www.amazon.sg/Jia-Wang-Chopped-Garlic-250/dp/B08NVRYR9B/ https://www.amazon.sg/Jia-Wang-Chopped-Garlic-250/dp/B08NVRY...
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >This sounds like one of those few weird things in the US where the processed version's somehow cheaper. If you buy it in a supermarket, minced/chopped garlic is more expensive. Mostly (I surmise) because they charge a lot for the tiny jars and don't sell the big ones. I buy my garlic online from folks who generally sell to restaurants/food service companies. As such, I pay much, much less than from the supermarket. If I couldn't get the big jars at a good price, I'd use the fresh stuff more often.
SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
>I use jarred garlic (a lot!) and buy it in quart (~900ml) containers. I don't have the physical issues the author of TFA has, It's been so long I'm afraid to ask... But what does TFA mean? I thought it might mean the The Fucking Article... As in "Did you read TFA? You moron." But that seems out of place for someone who wrote their edit to be "Improved my prose."
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >It's been so long I'm afraid to ask... But what does TFA mean? >I thought it might mean the The Fucking Article... As in "Did you read TFA? You moron." But that seems out of place for someone who wrote their edit to be "Improved my prose." Just as RTFM == Read The [Fine|Fucking] Manual, the 'F' in TFA can mean either one. I suppose that the quality of the article might impact how you think about it, but personally it's 'The Fine Article' to me. That can be ironic, but isn't necessarily. As with most things, whatever works for you is just fine.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  The fine article?
- Xylakant 4y ago
  The Fine Article.
seti0Cha 4y ago
I'd go one step further: most of the people responding are probably not jerks or assholes, just people sharing their own opinions in a playfully exaggerated way which, when done in person and accompanied by grins or laughter rarely causes offense. "You like THAT movie?! That movie is the WORST! I've lost all respect for you!" They have no way of knowing that the author of the original tweet is expressing something that has real significance to them.
- mlyle 4y ago
  Eh. I think what you're describing is step 1. Step 2 is people online hearing other people talking like it has real significance to them, perceiving it as a real important norm, and then persecuting others for it.
- haswell 4y ago
  > "You like THAT movie?! That movie is the WORST! I've lost all respect for you!" I don't know, this is still pretty jerky behavior when you're on the receiving end of it, even if the person speaking is "joking". Even if the entire goal is to have fun, at whose expense? Why can't I just like a bad movie and not have to catch shit for it? I think there's some truth to what you're saying, but I think there's more to it. In 2022, it's not enough to have an opinion. You must have THE opinion. You must be passionate about it. You must attack others who do not share it. Anything less makes you a Bad Person. This is modern online discourse. I hate it. I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but only a bit. There is something about online social interaction today that goes far beyond "the playfulness is lost to the medium". I'd argue that the playfulness in many cases no longer exists. And if it does, it's indistinguishable. Hidden among 10 other opinions that are also unnecessarily aggressive, and are not attempting to joke about it.
  - moehm 4y ago
    > Why can't I just like a bad movie and not have to catch shit for it? I don't know anything about movies, but I know a thing about wine, food and spirits. A thing most people don't understand is that liking a thing != the thing is actually good and vice versa. A good critic always says enjoy what you like, and their job is aiding your way to find it. Often there are objective-ish criteria to judge a thing (e.g. balance or complexity in a wine). But nobody knows what you personally enjoy. If you enjoy the taste of burned meat, a medium rare steak may not be what you like, but you can't say it's not good. Same is probably true for movies as well. Just because a movie is bad, you can still like it. And you can dislike a good movie as well. Those two things are not the same.
mlyle 4y ago
> But as I said, I'm not buying that it's somehow "ableist," in that I'm sure that most folks don't know (or care, for that matter) that the author of TFA has a physical issue that limits what she can do. Well, you know, it's both. We should be tolerant and more welcoming of other peoples' choices that don't affect us. And sometimes we're being even worse-- being a real asshole because other people aren't able to make the choices we're sneering at them for-- because of reasons of ability, or economics, or what's possible in the place they live, etc. When we are ready to form snap judgments of people for what appears to be their preference, we may actually be judging them for ability or economics or location or cultural background. We may be judging them for something they have little ability to control. > Don't like pre-minced garlic? Don't use it. There's a million things you can do to make food better. Yes, fresh ingredients are better, hand-prepared with no wait, etc. But unless you are spending all day and oodles of money making a Michelin-class meal, you're making some tradeoffs-- tradeoffs of cost, time, effort, learned skills. And you can still make a fantastic meal that's much better than what people typically eat with pre-minced garlic and shredded commodity cheese. But it's pretty easy for us to collectively turn judgey on small specific things.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >But it's pretty easy for us to collectively turn judgey on small specific things That was the entire point I was trying to make. That, and that doing so is douchebaggery. As to the ableist bit, it's not (as I explicitly stated) that ableism isn't a nasty thing -- it is -- but that those who engage in the activity discussed in TFA aren't specifically being ableist, they're just being douchebags and are insulting and nasty not because of ableism, but because they're assholes.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    I guess what I'm trying to clarify is: one may think they're just making a value judgment about someone's choices, but they very easily can be actually also judging based on shortfalls in ability or income... or different backgrounds, location, culture, etc. I agree judging based on peoples' superficial choices isn't great. But I think judging people based on things they can't change or that are close to intrinsic is even worse.
allenu 4y ago
I often wonder if it's also due to different communication styles. I remember in high school a friend and I would always chat about movies and tell each other what we thought after seeing one. My friend would always use language like "X movie sucked" or "Y movie was boring". For some reason whenever he would talk about his opinion of movies, it got me a little bit annoyed, because his statements always came across as objective truth. He didn't say, "I thought X movie sucked" or "I felt that movie Y was boring... for these reasons", he just said what he thought. My communication style was always, "I feel this..." or "I think this..." or "In my opinion, X was..." Whenever I get into arguments with people nowadays, I often notice it's because I want there to be the option for subjective opinion on things and some people don't like that. They want an objective truth that they can walk away with and say, "Well, after that conversation, we came to the conclusion that Z was awful." Since noticing my preferences for communications, I'm more okay with people trying to say something is an objective truth. To them, sure, there's one truth but I'm not going to waste my time arguing beyond a certain point. It's not my job to convince someone else two truths may exist simultaneously.
- tyleo 4y ago
  I think it’s merely a style as you mention in your first sentence. Some people who speak using the objective style are just being loose with language. They still realize what they are saying is subjective. I talk like this even when I'm being subjective. In fact, I largely talk like this because I used to talk and write more subjectively but I was dinged in an English class for not sounding convincing.

toddmatthews 4y ago

my mom says, "don't yuck my yum"

gwill 4y ago
my family applies this to much more than food. helps make me less judgmental.

BugsJustFindMe 4y ago

> I use jarred garlic (a lot!) and buy it in quart (~900ml) containers. I want to use it, because it seems like such a convenience, but every time I buy a jar it tastes...weird/bad. I think because it's always mixed with citric acid to keep from oxidizing aggressively? But then it doesn't taste like garlic anymore. Is that something you experience too? Is there a remedy? Does it vary by brand?

nobody9999 4y ago
>I want to use it, because it seems like such a convenience, but every time I buy a jar it tastes...weird/bad. I suggest that you do whatever you want/prefer. As I said in a previous comment[0]: It's not that I find mincing fresh garlic onerous. Rather the taste difference (feel free to disagree, I don't mind -- please do exactly what you want to do) for me isn't big enough to compensate for the convenience (and lower cost) of dumping a couple spoonfuls of pre-minced (in water, not oil -- although if you prefer oil, then have at it) garlic and off you go. > Is that something you experience too? Is there a remedy? Does it vary by brand? Sort of. Yes, the flavor (if I eat it out of the jar) is a bit different, but once it's mixed into the dish I'm cooking, the difference isn't big enough for me to care. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407
- radlad 4y ago
  In case you're wondering, you're likely being downvoted because the person you responded to asked, seemingly in good faith, if you had any tricks or tips for improving jarred garlic (e.g. by preparation or brand choice.) To respond by quoting the very comment they replied to comes off as unnecessarily defensive and doesn't seem to assume good faith.
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >In case you're wondering, you're likely being downvoted because the person you responded to asked, seemingly in good faith, if you had any tricks or tips for improving jarred garlic (e.g. by preparation or brand choice.) I don't have any useful suggestions and said so. Should I lie? >To respond by quoting the very comment they replied to comes off as unnecessarily defensive and doesn't seem to assume good faith. Except the comment they replied to was this one[0] (I checked to make sure before responding), not the one I quoted[1]. In fact, GP posted their comment before I posted the comment I quoted. I will say that clicking the "parent" link in GP's post (as I did) would have confirmed the above for you. I know what's in my mind and I wrote in good faith only to express my thoughts and ideas. If other folks don't like what I say or how I say it, so be it. I don't require their (or yours, for that matter) approval. That's not an attack on you (or anyone else) or an attempt to be mean or unpleasant. It's just how I see it. I don't even resent the downvotes. People wiil do as they do, and unless there's a material impact on me, I don't really care. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31949856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31949856 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31950407

mr_gibbins 4y ago

Just a quick note, something my dad taught me. Break apart the garlic into segments, peel them then use a broad, flat kitchen knife and crush the garlic with the heel of your hand. Once crushed, gather together and finely chop. I've never gotten along with garlic crushers, they leave too much of the garlic in the tool and washing them is difficult.

nobody9999 4y ago
>Just a quick note, something my dad taught me. Break apart the garlic into segments, peel them then use a broad, flat kitchen knife and crush the garlic with the heel of your hand. Once crushed, gather together and finely chop. Thank you for the suggestion. I am already aware of that method (as well as several others). It's not that I find mincing fresh garlic onerous. Rather the taste difference (feel free to disagree, I don't mind -- please do exactly what you want to do) for me isn't big enough to compensate for the convenience (and lower cost) of dumping a couple spoonfuls of pre-minced (in water, not oil -- although if you prefer oil, then have at it) garlic and off you go.
- manmal 4y ago
  > feel free to disagree, I don't mind -- please do exactly what you want to do Meta: I think it goes without saying that readers will do whatever they want to. You telling the reader explicitly that they should do what they want can come across as passive-aggressive. Paradoxically, you _are_ telling them how they should behave by writing that.
  - deadbunny 4y ago
    Not GP but I just see it as preemptive defense as is so often needed online. "I like it this way" will often be interpreted as "I like it this way and if you disagree you're wrong!" leading to pointless flamewars.
    - blooalien 4y ago
      To me it seems that people who take "I like it this way" and extend it in their minds to include "…and if you disagree you're wrong!" when no such intent is likely are just actively looking for any excuse for an argument. Those people aren't worth engaging with further in my opinion. Just wasted energy/effort, and unwanted/unnecessary stress.

hinkley 4y ago

My partner is impatiently waiting for me to pull up the garlic I planted, which is not ready yet. First hot spell turned some leaves brown but that doesn't mean it's ready. She does use jarred garlic for some dishes, we still go through a lot of store bought garlic, but she says it's rather bland compared to the stuff from the garden. I haven't done a side by side comparison but I don't have any reason to doubt her. Transport stable crops tend to be lacking in other characters so that probably is a lot of it. But most heirloom and landrace garlic has to survive at least 4 months and preferably 6 in storage to be viable as seed garlic, so it's not like peaches or mulberries where you have to eat, cook or can them by day 2 or they're mush.

ValentineC 4y ago

> (and better things to spend my money on -- fresh garlic is significantly more expensive) than minced (or chopped) garlic when I'm cooking. This sounds like one of those few weird things in the US where the processed version's somehow cheaper. Fresh [1] garlic is around 1/2 the price of minced [2] here in Singapore. [1] https://www.amazon.sg/Thygrace-Whole-Garlic-200g-packaging/dp/B07JHJ61ZD/ https://www.amazon.sg/Thygrace-Whole-Garlic-200g-packaging/d... [2] https://www.amazon.sg/Jia-Wang-Chopped-Garlic-250/dp/B08NVRYR9B/ https://www.amazon.sg/Jia-Wang-Chopped-Garlic-250/dp/B08NVRY...

nobody9999 4y ago
>This sounds like one of those few weird things in the US where the processed version's somehow cheaper. If you buy it in a supermarket, minced/chopped garlic is more expensive. Mostly (I surmise) because they charge a lot for the tiny jars and don't sell the big ones. I buy my garlic online from folks who generally sell to restaurants/food service companies. As such, I pay much, much less than from the supermarket. If I couldn't get the big jars at a good price, I'd use the fresh stuff more often.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

>I use jarred garlic (a lot!) and buy it in quart (~900ml) containers. I don't have the physical issues the author of TFA has, It's been so long I'm afraid to ask... But what does TFA mean? I thought it might mean the The Fucking Article... As in "Did you read TFA? You moron." But that seems out of place for someone who wrote their edit to be "Improved my prose."

nobody9999 4y ago
>It's been so long I'm afraid to ask... But what does TFA mean? >I thought it might mean the The Fucking Article... As in "Did you read TFA? You moron." But that seems out of place for someone who wrote their edit to be "Improved my prose." Just as RTFM == Read The [Fine|Fucking] Manual, the 'F' in TFA can mean either one. I suppose that the quality of the article might impact how you think about it, but personally it's 'The Fine Article' to me. That can be ironic, but isn't necessarily. As with most things, whatever works for you is just fine.
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
The fine article?
Xylakant 4y ago
The Fine Article.

seti0Cha 4y ago

I'd go one step further: most of the people responding are probably not jerks or assholes, just people sharing their own opinions in a playfully exaggerated way which, when done in person and accompanied by grins or laughter rarely causes offense. "You like THAT movie?! That movie is the WORST! I've lost all respect for you!" They have no way of knowing that the author of the original tweet is expressing something that has real significance to them.

mlyle 4y ago
Eh. I think what you're describing is step 1. Step 2 is people online hearing other people talking like it has real significance to them, perceiving it as a real important norm, and then persecuting others for it.
haswell 4y ago
> "You like THAT movie?! That movie is the WORST! I've lost all respect for you!" I don't know, this is still pretty jerky behavior when you're on the receiving end of it, even if the person speaking is "joking". Even if the entire goal is to have fun, at whose expense? Why can't I just like a bad movie and not have to catch shit for it? I think there's some truth to what you're saying, but I think there's more to it. In 2022, it's not enough to have an opinion. You must have THE opinion. You must be passionate about it. You must attack others who do not share it. Anything less makes you a Bad Person. This is modern online discourse. I hate it. I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but only a bit. There is something about online social interaction today that goes far beyond "the playfulness is lost to the medium". I'd argue that the playfulness in many cases no longer exists. And if it does, it's indistinguishable. Hidden among 10 other opinions that are also unnecessarily aggressive, and are not attempting to joke about it.
- moehm 4y ago
  > Why can't I just like a bad movie and not have to catch shit for it? I don't know anything about movies, but I know a thing about wine, food and spirits. A thing most people don't understand is that liking a thing != the thing is actually good and vice versa. A good critic always says enjoy what you like, and their job is aiding your way to find it. Often there are objective-ish criteria to judge a thing (e.g. balance or complexity in a wine). But nobody knows what you personally enjoy. If you enjoy the taste of burned meat, a medium rare steak may not be what you like, but you can't say it's not good. Same is probably true for movies as well. Just because a movie is bad, you can still like it. And you can dislike a good movie as well. Those two things are not the same.

mlyle 4y ago

> But as I said, I'm not buying that it's somehow "ableist," in that I'm sure that most folks don't know (or care, for that matter) that the author of TFA has a physical issue that limits what she can do. Well, you know, it's both. We should be tolerant and more welcoming of other peoples' choices that don't affect us. And sometimes we're being even worse-- being a real asshole because other people aren't able to make the choices we're sneering at them for-- because of reasons of ability, or economics, or what's possible in the place they live, etc. When we are ready to form snap judgments of people for what appears to be their preference, we may actually be judging them for ability or economics or location or cultural background. We may be judging them for something they have little ability to control. > Don't like pre-minced garlic? Don't use it. There's a million things you can do to make food better. Yes, fresh ingredients are better, hand-prepared with no wait, etc. But unless you are spending all day and oodles of money making a Michelin-class meal, you're making some tradeoffs-- tradeoffs of cost, time, effort, learned skills. And you can still make a fantastic meal that's much better than what people typically eat with pre-minced garlic and shredded commodity cheese. But it's pretty easy for us to collectively turn judgey on small specific things.

nobody9999 4y ago
>But it's pretty easy for us to collectively turn judgey on small specific things That was the entire point I was trying to make. That, and that doing so is douchebaggery. As to the ableist bit, it's not (as I explicitly stated) that ableism isn't a nasty thing -- it is -- but that those who engage in the activity discussed in TFA aren't specifically being ableist, they're just being douchebags and are insulting and nasty not because of ableism, but because they're assholes.
- mlyle 4y ago
  I guess what I'm trying to clarify is: one may think they're just making a value judgment about someone's choices, but they very easily can be actually also judging based on shortfalls in ability or income... or different backgrounds, location, culture, etc. I agree judging based on peoples' superficial choices isn't great. But I think judging people based on things they can't change or that are close to intrinsic is even worse.

allenu 4y ago

I often wonder if it's also due to different communication styles. I remember in high school a friend and I would always chat about movies and tell each other what we thought after seeing one. My friend would always use language like "X movie sucked" or "Y movie was boring". For some reason whenever he would talk about his opinion of movies, it got me a little bit annoyed, because his statements always came across as objective truth. He didn't say, "I thought X movie sucked" or "I felt that movie Y was boring... for these reasons", he just said what he thought. My communication style was always, "I feel this..." or "I think this..." or "In my opinion, X was..." Whenever I get into arguments with people nowadays, I often notice it's because I want there to be the option for subjective opinion on things and some people don't like that. They want an objective truth that they can walk away with and say, "Well, after that conversation, we came to the conclusion that Z was awful." Since noticing my preferences for communications, I'm more okay with people trying to say something is an objective truth. To them, sure, there's one truth but I'm not going to waste my time arguing beyond a certain point. It's not my job to convince someone else two truths may exist simultaneously.

tyleo 4y ago
I think it’s merely a style as you mention in your first sentence. Some people who speak using the objective style are just being loose with language. They still realize what they are saying is subjective. I talk like this even when I'm being subjective. In fact, I largely talk like this because I used to talk and write more subjectively but I was dinged in an English class for not sounding convincing.