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Go deep into any topic that excites or interests you, and you will find the worst of people's behaviors on display. Very often there will be a vocal, toxic min

Go deep into any topic that excites or interests you, and you will find the worst of people's behaviors on display. Very often there will be a vocal, toxic minority whose opinions sit firmly in the realm of gatekeeping and polarization, and a silent majority will stay silent as it's simpler to avoid confrontation, or not think about the implications of such. Author's unfortunate disability made them realize this, though you can see this pretty much everywhere. At the same time, a lot of people put too much stock (ha...) in what other people think is right and 'proper'. It's entirely possible to love cooking and use prepared ingredients, do what works for you. It's entirely possible to enjoy pineapple on a pizza, and a well done steak, with a cocktail, eat what you like and for yourself, don't eat for others.

raspyberr 4y ago
Nothing inherently wrong with gatekeeping.
- paskozdilar 4y ago
  Nothing inherently right with gatekeeping. Many harmful effects, though. Alienating valuable members comes to mind.
  - raspyberr 4y ago
    So if it's not inherently wrong OR right, then it must be inherently neutral. Which means it can be used for both positive or negative purposes. You gave a negative purpose. I would argue that health and safety can often be seen as a form of positive gatekeeping. In context of the original post, using a knife "properly".
    - paskozdilar 4y ago
      Sure, but that's not what we usually mean by gatekeeping. Controlling who can and cannot join the community based on some arbitrary, subjective critera is what we usually mean by gatekeeping. E.g.: FDA does not gatekeep - they enforce safety criteria to products; metal music fans often gatekeep - they enforce their own opinion of other metal music bands/fans and are trying to police the metal music scene.
      - raspyberr 4y ago
        I didn't realise there was a delay in replying and I edited my post. I didn't mean regulation based safety. I've noticed people get quite defensive if you tell them sharp knives are safer and their blunt knife is dangerous. I can see having to buy sharpeners and honing rods and being told what you're doing is wrong could be considered gatekeeping.
        iSnow 4y ago
        LOL nonsense, blunt knives aren't dangerous. That's just more of the same toxic attitude.
        hunterb123 4y ago
        They very much are. You are prone to mishandle a blunt blade to try and get it to cut. You have to put a lot more force into a blunt blade. When it finally gets through (or jumps from) what you're hacking at, it's going somewhere, fast. The blade will do much more damage to your skin, tearing it instead of slicing, takes longer to heal from a blunt blade, infection more likely. It's much safer to have a sharp knife that you can handle with finesse. Not a dull one you have to hack with. I wouldn't really call this gatekeeping either, it's pretty much knife safety 101. Right up there with curling your fingers and pushing not pulling the blade.
        hef19898 4y ago
        This. You don't need 600 dollar hand forged, single bevel damast knifes so to have a sharp tool. Butchers are definitely not usong those, despite having a daily, professionally in the sense of earning their living, need for sharp knifes. And even the 600 dollar knife gets blunt ultimately. Sharp knife = good advice Expensive luxury tool = gate keeping
        choko 4y ago
        It depends. I used the cheap knives for a long time before I was more successful in my career. It was a chore to keep them sharp as they tended to dull very quickly. Once I had more money to spend, I bought a knife with more desirable steel properties which came at a much higher price. The upside is that I have to spend far less time keeping the knife sharp and safe.
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conradfr 4y ago
On any topics, learn from the extremists but do not trust them.
iasay 4y ago
Those people are a cancer and make up a significant portion of the population. Internet forums are breeding grounds. I've developed some strategies for dealing with them. Before I engage or do something I ask three questions: 1. Is someone telling me how to behave? 2. Am I doing this to be better than myself or better than someone else? 3. Does this change really add value to my life or labour and cost? As for garlic, it's amazing stuff out of a jar. I use it on and in everything. I'm not disabled, I'm just lazy and fine with it. The stuff is called Very Lazy Garlic here. And fuck the snobs and elitists.
- jhot 4y ago
  #2 really nails the root of the issue. #3 is big too, you can save a lot of money and time and still get basically the same value by recognizing the diminishing returns in any domain.
- bartvk 4y ago
  I've encountered it in work-related discussions, where people would confidently label something as "professional" or "unprofessional". When in fact, it would be a completely arbitrary standard.
- jfengel 4y ago
  I'll have to give it a try. All of the jarred garlic I've tried tastes too much of the preservative, usually ascorbic acid. I don't have any objection to the preservative; it's just a flavor I wasn't expecting and didn't want. Thanks for the tip.
  - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
    One of the biggest problems with jarred garlic is the fact that it is often wet, and in a preservative with a flavor that imparts to the food. Because it is not fresh, it will not have the same health benefits either. This means in order to prepare it, you need to rinse it, dry it, before it is ready to go. Doing these things will mute the flavor even more for what is an already mute flavor compared to fresh garlic. Given these issues, I would vastly prefer using the garlic tubes more commonly found in Europe, than I would a wet can or wet jarred garlic. Garlic tubes are fresh, preserve well, and in many cases have that pungent ajoene and allicin still present that give it a zing! To add to this, I would prefer using a dried garlic spice over a can of jarred garlic if forced into deciding between the worst of most garlic options.
gigaflop 4y ago
I've been playing dnD 5e for several years, and when I was more active, had a nearly didactic memory of the rules, or where to find the specifics of a rule. I'm currently playing with a new group at a game shop, and have to actively hold myself back from saying too much at once. There's a certain level of "enough has been said" to give enough detail to let things continue, without making people feel like they made suboptimal character choices.
mnw21cam 4y ago
> It's entirely possible to enjoy pineapple on a pizza I was with you up until this point. You go too far.
- agentwiggles 4y ago
  You can pry my jalapeno-pineapple pizza from my cold dead hands.
  - smegger001 4y ago
    no, really you can keep it, no one else would want that abomination. (note jalapeno are a valid topping)
  - hinkley 4y ago
    If it's all the same to you, I think we'll just put a hazmat bag around you and the pizza and bury you as is. I'm not touching that pizza. My partner orders pineapple pizza then takes the pineapple off. It's there to cover the pizza in pineapple juice and that's it. She also likes teriyaki sauce to a fault so I probably shouldn't be surprised.
  - pr0zac 4y ago
    Gladly. (so I can then eat it)
  - MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
    Pineapple for the sweet and sour taste, jalapeno for spicy, green olives for salty umami and sausage for meaty fatty.
  - Groxx 4y ago
    add a little bit of bacon and it's an amazing combination. 3 very different aromatic ingredients combining wonderfully. (lots of other aromatic things work great too)
    - frob 4y ago
      My partner and I have loved pineapple, jalapeño, and pepperoni pizza for years now.
barkingcat 4y ago
also almost all chefs out there used preprepped and canned and jarred ingredients in restaurants. no matter how high end of a restaurant, if it is at all asian related/themed food you will still see Huy Fong Foods Sriracha sauce everywhere. And it's delicious.
dqpb 4y ago
I actually don’t mind rude belligerent people if their opinion is novel. But I can’t stand them if their opinion is typical.
hinkley 4y ago
They say for atheists the worst moment is the Dark Night of the Soul, where, having accepted that nobody is keeping score, now you have to decide if anything means anything or if everything is completely pointless. Having experienced that first hand, twice, that's definitely true. For the person it happens to. But for the people who have to deal with that person? The worst is when that person sublimates their need for belief into a bunch of 'secular religions' that they cling to like a... I don't know what word to use here, but let's say ninja is to mall ninja as crusader is to <clever word for atheist zealot>. As for the steak, I often order medium well even though I want well done. Unless you're at a very high end steak house, which most of us aren't, they are always bloodier than you ask for and you rarely get a decent crust below medium well. At one point I had perfected the well done steak at home, but it's been so long that it would probably take me a couple hundred dollars in steaks to dial it back in.
- pr0zac 4y ago
  Its interesting you use "The Dark Night of the Soul" in reference to atheism cause the first place I heard it was with regard to meditative practice (and Buddhism) while its original use was in Catholicism, coming from a poem of that faith. The term has certainly got around!
  - hinkley 4y ago
    From what I understand it got adapted by the existentialists as well, which is where most people would hear of it. No idea how they got it from the Catholics. Lately there have been a lot of historians working backward looking for cases of 'history is written by the victor' situations and rewriting the histories. There's a great video out there, based on someone's PhD thesis, that places David Hume in a town in Southern France where a certain Jesuit priest had recently returned from a monastery in Siam and written a book about what he learned about eastern philosophy. So they can't prove that Buddhism caused the Enlightenment, but we know for sure that one of those guys in those coffee shops had the opportunity to spend time in another coffee shop interviewing an academic who lived with Buddhists. Edit: it was Siam, not eastern India, and definitely Hume
- 4y ago

raspyberr 4y ago

Nothing inherently wrong with gatekeeping.

paskozdilar 4y ago
Nothing inherently right with gatekeeping. Many harmful effects, though. Alienating valuable members comes to mind.
- raspyberr 4y ago
  So if it's not inherently wrong OR right, then it must be inherently neutral. Which means it can be used for both positive or negative purposes. You gave a negative purpose. I would argue that health and safety can often be seen as a form of positive gatekeeping. In context of the original post, using a knife "properly".
  - paskozdilar 4y ago
    Sure, but that's not what we usually mean by gatekeeping. Controlling who can and cannot join the community based on some arbitrary, subjective critera is what we usually mean by gatekeeping. E.g.: FDA does not gatekeep - they enforce safety criteria to products; metal music fans often gatekeep - they enforce their own opinion of other metal music bands/fans and are trying to police the metal music scene.
    - raspyberr 4y ago
      I didn't realise there was a delay in replying and I edited my post. I didn't mean regulation based safety. I've noticed people get quite defensive if you tell them sharp knives are safer and their blunt knife is dangerous. I can see having to buy sharpeners and honing rods and being told what you're doing is wrong could be considered gatekeeping.
      - iSnow 4y ago
        LOL nonsense, blunt knives aren't dangerous. That's just more of the same toxic attitude.
        hunterb123 4y ago
        They very much are. You are prone to mishandle a blunt blade to try and get it to cut. You have to put a lot more force into a blunt blade. When it finally gets through (or jumps from) what you're hacking at, it's going somewhere, fast. The blade will do much more damage to your skin, tearing it instead of slicing, takes longer to heal from a blunt blade, infection more likely. It's much safer to have a sharp knife that you can handle with finesse. Not a dull one you have to hack with. I wouldn't really call this gatekeeping either, it's pretty much knife safety 101. Right up there with curling your fingers and pushing not pulling the blade.
        hef19898 4y ago
        This. You don't need 600 dollar hand forged, single bevel damast knifes so to have a sharp tool. Butchers are definitely not usong those, despite having a daily, professionally in the sense of earning their living, need for sharp knifes. And even the 600 dollar knife gets blunt ultimately. Sharp knife = good advice Expensive luxury tool = gate keeping
        choko 4y ago
        It depends. I used the cheap knives for a long time before I was more successful in my career. It was a chore to keep them sharp as they tended to dull very quickly. Once I had more money to spend, I bought a knife with more desirable steel properties which came at a much higher price. The upside is that I have to spend far less time keeping the knife sharp and safe.

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conradfr 4y ago

On any topics, learn from the extremists but do not trust them.

iasay 4y ago

Those people are a cancer and make up a significant portion of the population. Internet forums are breeding grounds. I've developed some strategies for dealing with them. Before I engage or do something I ask three questions: 1. Is someone telling me how to behave? 2. Am I doing this to be better than myself or better than someone else? 3. Does this change really add value to my life or labour and cost? As for garlic, it's amazing stuff out of a jar. I use it on and in everything. I'm not disabled, I'm just lazy and fine with it. The stuff is called Very Lazy Garlic here. And fuck the snobs and elitists.

jhot 4y ago
#2 really nails the root of the issue. #3 is big too, you can save a lot of money and time and still get basically the same value by recognizing the diminishing returns in any domain.
bartvk 4y ago
I've encountered it in work-related discussions, where people would confidently label something as "professional" or "unprofessional". When in fact, it would be a completely arbitrary standard.
jfengel 4y ago
I'll have to give it a try. All of the jarred garlic I've tried tastes too much of the preservative, usually ascorbic acid. I don't have any objection to the preservative; it's just a flavor I wasn't expecting and didn't want. Thanks for the tip.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  One of the biggest problems with jarred garlic is the fact that it is often wet, and in a preservative with a flavor that imparts to the food. Because it is not fresh, it will not have the same health benefits either. This means in order to prepare it, you need to rinse it, dry it, before it is ready to go. Doing these things will mute the flavor even more for what is an already mute flavor compared to fresh garlic. Given these issues, I would vastly prefer using the garlic tubes more commonly found in Europe, than I would a wet can or wet jarred garlic. Garlic tubes are fresh, preserve well, and in many cases have that pungent ajoene and allicin still present that give it a zing! To add to this, I would prefer using a dried garlic spice over a can of jarred garlic if forced into deciding between the worst of most garlic options.

gigaflop 4y ago

I've been playing dnD 5e for several years, and when I was more active, had a nearly didactic memory of the rules, or where to find the specifics of a rule. I'm currently playing with a new group at a game shop, and have to actively hold myself back from saying too much at once. There's a certain level of "enough has been said" to give enough detail to let things continue, without making people feel like they made suboptimal character choices.

mnw21cam 4y ago

> It's entirely possible to enjoy pineapple on a pizza I was with you up until this point. You go too far.

agentwiggles 4y ago
You can pry my jalapeno-pineapple pizza from my cold dead hands.
- smegger001 4y ago
  no, really you can keep it, no one else would want that abomination. (note jalapeno are a valid topping)
- hinkley 4y ago
  If it's all the same to you, I think we'll just put a hazmat bag around you and the pizza and bury you as is. I'm not touching that pizza. My partner orders pineapple pizza then takes the pineapple off. It's there to cover the pizza in pineapple juice and that's it. She also likes teriyaki sauce to a fault so I probably shouldn't be surprised.
- pr0zac 4y ago
  Gladly. (so I can then eat it)
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  Pineapple for the sweet and sour taste, jalapeno for spicy, green olives for salty umami and sausage for meaty fatty.
- Groxx 4y ago
  add a little bit of bacon and it's an amazing combination. 3 very different aromatic ingredients combining wonderfully. (lots of other aromatic things work great too)
  - frob 4y ago
    My partner and I have loved pineapple, jalapeño, and pepperoni pizza for years now.

barkingcat 4y ago

also almost all chefs out there used preprepped and canned and jarred ingredients in restaurants. no matter how high end of a restaurant, if it is at all asian related/themed food you will still see Huy Fong Foods Sriracha sauce everywhere. And it's delicious.

dqpb 4y ago

I actually don’t mind rude belligerent people if their opinion is novel. But I can’t stand them if their opinion is typical.

hinkley 4y ago

They say for atheists the worst moment is the Dark Night of the Soul, where, having accepted that nobody is keeping score, now you have to decide if anything means anything or if everything is completely pointless. Having experienced that first hand, twice, that's definitely true. For the person it happens to. But for the people who have to deal with that person? The worst is when that person sublimates their need for belief into a bunch of 'secular religions' that they cling to like a... I don't know what word to use here, but let's say ninja is to mall ninja as crusader is to <clever word for atheist zealot>. As for the steak, I often order medium well even though I want well done. Unless you're at a very high end steak house, which most of us aren't, they are always bloodier than you ask for and you rarely get a decent crust below medium well. At one point I had perfected the well done steak at home, but it's been so long that it would probably take me a couple hundred dollars in steaks to dial it back in.

pr0zac 4y ago
Its interesting you use "The Dark Night of the Soul" in reference to atheism cause the first place I heard it was with regard to meditative practice (and Buddhism) while its original use was in Catholicism, coming from a poem of that faith. The term has certainly got around!
- hinkley 4y ago
  From what I understand it got adapted by the existentialists as well, which is where most people would hear of it. No idea how they got it from the Catholics. Lately there have been a lot of historians working backward looking for cases of 'history is written by the victor' situations and rewriting the histories. There's a great video out there, based on someone's PhD thesis, that places David Hume in a town in Southern France where a certain Jesuit priest had recently returned from a monastery in Siam and written a book about what he learned about eastern philosophy. So they can't prove that Buddhism caused the Enlightenment, but we know for sure that one of those guys in those coffee shops had the opportunity to spend time in another coffee shop interviewing an academic who lived with Buddhists. Edit: it was Siam, not eastern India, and definitely Hume
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