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If a dealer listed something as included, and it was not, I would be beyond livid, and they would be giving me a full refund.

by jen20 4y ago

astrange 4y ago
Tesla doesn't have dealers. This sounds like a used car.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > Tesla doesn't have dealers. This sounds like a used car. And? If I own something (which I do after I've paid for it),the only way the "legal" owner is getting it back is via the courts. Why is it okay to resolve property disputes by private force?
  - astrange 4y ago
    Cause the post implied that it's right to be mad at Tesla, but that wouldn't help. Feel free to give the car back to the dealer. Although I'd think this would be obvious on the test drive. Also, being livid is probably bad for your health. Might get high blood pressure.
    - lelanthran 4y ago
      > Cause the post implied that it's right to be mad at Tesla, Of course it's right to be mad at Tesla - they resolved a property dispute by force. > Also, being livid is probably bad for your health. Might get high blood pressure. I wouldn't be livid in that situation, but I would consider criminal charges against Tesla in my jurisdiction. After all, the dealer is only on the hook for civil claims, Tesla is on the hook for very obvious criminal claims.
      - astrange 4y ago
        Oh, I missed that AP was enabled at the dealer but then disappeared - thought the dealer had just claimed it was there. That raises a lot of questions about how it could even happen. I'd understand if it was sold as some kind of "user license", but it's on the car, so I assumed it was a permanent extra hardware addition.
        LeoPanthera 4y ago
        No, all Teslas have the same hardware. (At least, all Teslas made in the past few years. Older ones can indeed lack required hardware.) Whether you have AP or FSD is a software bit.
      - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
        >I would consider criminal charges against Tesla in my jurisdiction. You live in a jurisdiction in which a private person can levy criminal charges?
LeoPanthera 4y ago
It was a used car and the dealer was not Tesla.
- jen20 4y ago
  So? If advertised with a feature, it is incumbent on the seller to provide a product with that feature.
  - LeoPanthera 4y ago
    "So" it is not the story that people keep repeating. Tesla do not remove AP from resold cars.
    - jen20 4y ago
      Except, as you acknowledge below, that is exactly what they did.

If a dealer listed something as included, and it was not, I would be beyond livid, and they would be giving me a full refund.

by jen20 4y ago

If a dealer listed something as included, and it was not, I would be beyond livid, and they would be giving me a full refund.

astrange 4y ago

Tesla doesn't have dealers. This sounds like a used car.

lelanthran 4y ago
> Tesla doesn't have dealers. This sounds like a used car. And? If I own something (which I do after I've paid for it),the only way the "legal" owner is getting it back is via the courts. Why is it okay to resolve property disputes by private force?
- astrange 4y ago
  Cause the post implied that it's right to be mad at Tesla, but that wouldn't help. Feel free to give the car back to the dealer. Although I'd think this would be obvious on the test drive. Also, being livid is probably bad for your health. Might get high blood pressure.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > Cause the post implied that it's right to be mad at Tesla, Of course it's right to be mad at Tesla - they resolved a property dispute by force. > Also, being livid is probably bad for your health. Might get high blood pressure. I wouldn't be livid in that situation, but I would consider criminal charges against Tesla in my jurisdiction. After all, the dealer is only on the hook for civil claims, Tesla is on the hook for very obvious criminal claims.
    - astrange 4y ago
      Oh, I missed that AP was enabled at the dealer but then disappeared - thought the dealer had just claimed it was there. That raises a lot of questions about how it could even happen. I'd understand if it was sold as some kind of "user license", but it's on the car, so I assumed it was a permanent extra hardware addition.
      - LeoPanthera 4y ago
        No, all Teslas have the same hardware. (At least, all Teslas made in the past few years. Older ones can indeed lack required hardware.) Whether you have AP or FSD is a software bit.
    - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
      >I would consider criminal charges against Tesla in my jurisdiction. You live in a jurisdiction in which a private person can levy criminal charges?

LeoPanthera 4y ago

It was a used car and the dealer was not Tesla.

jen20 4y ago
So? If advertised with a feature, it is incumbent on the seller to provide a product with that feature.
- LeoPanthera 4y ago
  "So" it is not the story that people keep repeating. Tesla do not remove AP from resold cars.
  - jen20 4y ago
    Except, as you acknowledge below, that is exactly what they did.