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The US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well. The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Different names will used if need be a
by markstos 4y ago
The US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well.
The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused.
Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.
- coffeefirst 4y agoHonestly I think giving them new names would increase popularity. It lets the food stand on its own without the expectation of being an imitation. Falafel, for example, is amazing and didn't need to be called "Chickpea Burgers" for people to like it.
- markstos 4y agoThe market wants both. Someone just transitioning from may be explicitly looking for a plant-based version of what they've been eating. Someone raised vegetarian or who hasn't eaten meat in a long time may repulsed by the thought of eating meat has no interest in names that remind them of eating animals.
- kjkjadksj 4y agoWhat sucks is I think the clones are terrible introductions to vegetarian food compared to the real deals. Screw a fake chicken nugget and ketchup, give people a falafel ball and yogurt sauce. The best vegetarian food there is makes no attempt to be fake meat, it stands on its own.
- Spivak 4y agoIf you’re using chicken nuggets as the example you’re way off. Every vegetarian and vegan swears by Morning Star buffalo nuggets and the Gardein Ultimate Nuggets are better than chicken. You’re right about a lot of veggie substitutes but nuggets are one of the cases where it is just as good.
- Smoosh 4y ago> Morning Star buffalo nuggets Made from fresh buffalos I presume?
- Spivak 4y agoI mean that’s what I assumed when I first bought them. After I realized my terrible mistake I sent a strongly worded letter to the FDA demanding they be called bufallow nuggetz to alleviate any future confusion. I mean they were right next to the mammoth bites and dodo eggs, how was I supposed to know?
- rjeli 4y agoBoth of those are mostly wheat flour, gluten, seed oils and soy protein.. i’ll pass..
- tommit 4y agoYikes, where is that delicious chicken-beak-paste?? Come on. Nuggets are 99% the breading.
- Daishiman 4y agoI don't know, the latest generation of fake chicken nuggets are remarkably close to the real thing, and frankly I prefer them considering the horrible practices around industrial chicken farms.
- JoshTriplett 4y agoI enjoy falafel, and I also enjoy Impossible sausage and grounds. The latter works nicely in spaghetti or stroganoff; the former does not. I like having a wide variety of options.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y agoI like fake meats though, because I liked real meat when I ate it and I'm nostalgic for the experience. I like eating 'brats' with my family at cookouts because it is part of the tradition, and chick'n nuggets are significantly less trouble to prepare than chunks of firm tofu. Don't assume everyone is a vegetarian or vegan for the same reasons. Also falafel is awesome and I wish there were more fast-food falafel joints in the world.
- aetherson 4y agoIt's nice to know what it's supposed to taste like, if it is intended to be as close as possible to an actual meat product.
- Nursie 4y agoFalafel, to me, is a very specific thing, and a chickpea burger may or may not resemble that thing.
- gumby 4y ago> The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. I don't know -- seems like a lot of people don't think of sheep when they see the word "fleece". Why should it be any different with food? For that matter I know what chicken tastes like, but I don't get that product when I go to the grocery and get something labeled "chicken".
- viraptor 4y agoDepends what you classify as confused. I'm a consumer for both meat and plant based replacements. Sometimes it takes slightly longer to verify which one is which when they're next to each other in the shop. It's not a big issue, I don't think I'd actually ever buy the wrong one, just mildly annoying. Although some are on the extreme side. If you put this next to actual bacon and I'm in a rush with a kid, I could imagine not noticing https://postimg.cc/BLc8qQLW https://postimg.cc/BLc8qQLW
- xdennis 4y ago> The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Nonsense! I was tricked. They: * make the products look like real sausages and cheese * sell them in the same packages * label them in large letters as the real thing * write "vegan" in small letters * put them next to the real things It's all done to trick people.
- londons_explore 4y agoEspecially when you consider that the profit margins on real meat and cheese are pretty tight, while the profit margins on flavoured soy are huge.
- kjkjadksj 4y agoI wonder how cheap flavored soy will be in a world where there isnt a meat industry producing cheap bonemeal and bloodmeal fertilizer
- morsch 4y agoHow significant is it as a source of commercial fertilizer? A rounding error, from what I can tell. An article on the situation in Germany gives it the potential to replace 5% of phosphate, if all of the bonemeal was used, and currently, barely any of it is used that way. https://idw-online.de/de/news642547 https://idw-online.de/de/news642547
- tommit 4y agoIt isn't. Not to mention that 80% of the soybeans are used to feed livestock anyway[0]. This is a bullshit argument, as most tend to be when it comes to this topic. [0] https://wwf.panda.org/discover/our_focus/food_practice/sustainable_production/soy/ https://wwf.panda.org/discover/our_focus/food_practice/susta...
- sagarm 4y agoBut when we're all vegetarian, where will the bullshit come from?
- kjkjadksj 4y agoI’ve also been confused. I went to what I thought was a health food restaurant and ordered iirc a chicken sandwich. Received gardein which if you’ve had it is like a 1990s tier veggie burger aka not good. The cheese on it was also fake american cheese which itself was never cheese to begin with, but they still called it cheese despite it being nothing like cheese in taste or texture and only vaguely in color. At least let me know what I’m getting into instead of playing cute and having this game with the menu.
- LegitShady 4y agoI've tried a lot of vegan alternative foods because I like trying new things (unfortunately for vegans, I also love meat) and I've never had a vegan cheese substitute that was worth purchasing, ever.
- Klonoar 4y agoI've found it's taken ages for the various makers to come around to the fact that you have to compete on taste, otherwise none of this is worth buying. There's finally a few (e.g, Violife) who have started to get close. Kite Hill's almond ricotta is probably 1:1 for me and I eat it when I find it on sale. I think if you're after "luxury" cheese (the kind you might enjoy with a bottle of wine) it's harder, but for day to day cheese you throw on a sandwich/tacos/whatever it's passable. (My two cents, of course - everyone tastes different, and you should eat real cheese if that's what you want)
- LegitShady 4y agothe overwhelming majority of cheese I eat is old cheddar or mozzarella, and I haven't seen a vegan cheese does a simulation of either worth talking about. Cooking them is even worse, while cooking cheddar or mozza is great. It's just not the same.
- Klonoar 4y agoEh, Mozzarella is a tough one. I'd agree there's little options there yet, but I don't use that often enough to know if there's anything new (the wife also prefers getting a ball of fresh mozzarella sometimes, so I don't bother with alternatives there). Cheddar though... I'd have to disagree. To each their own though!
- spoonjim 4y agoI have twice been tricked and bought "chikn" or similar. One time the product I bought I was incredibly disgusting, the other time it was alright and edible.
- markstos 4y agoI found that when I ordered McDonaldn's chicken nuggets that there were actually 38 ingredients, 13 can be derived from corn. http://www.viewzone.com/mcnuggets.html http://www.viewzone.com/mcnuggets.html
- cheese_goddess 4y ago> Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons. Consumers are not reducing their meat consumption. Instead meat consumption is increasing: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~CHN~IND~European+Union https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta... > As a global average, per capita meat consumption has increased approximately 20 kilograms since 1961; the average person consumed around 43 kilograms of meat in 2014. This increase in per capita meat trends means total meat production has been growing at a much faster than the rate of population growth. As is production: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~CHN~IND~European+Union https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta... Worldwide.
- markstos 4y agoYou are right. I was thinking of the decline in dairy consumption in the US, which has been decreasing. Per-capita cow's milk consumption has been decreasing for 70 years here: https://ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/102447/err-300_summary.pdf?v=9369.8 https://ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/102447/err-300_sum... Meat consumption in the US in fact growing at an alarming rate: https://sentientmedia.org/meat-consumption-in-the-us https://sentientmedia.org/meat-consumption-in-the-us