3 ms·

Nope. It’s sad. Would you avoid buying Nike shoes because their factories have slave labor?

oneoff786 4y ago
Yeah I would and do avoid that. And no, I’m not doing research to make maximally ethical decisions. I would greatly prefer if it were either outlawed or at least clearly labeled
- nobodyandproud 4y ago
  > And no, I’m not doing research to make maximally ethical decisions. I would greatly prefer if it were either outlawed or at least clearly labeled That’s a problem. A law doesn’t mean much unless people are both willing to uncover violations and also enforce the laws.
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    It is not feasible for an individual to stay maximally informed on all things. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
    - aunty_helen 4y ago
      Thank you for invalidating any point you tried to make. My point, why worry about shipping when everything it’s transporting follows the same lax safety laws. First world society is largely supported on the backs of third world countries full of people working their arses off for little pay and no opportunity for betterment. Slave children can mine the minerals in the electronics, slave labor can assemble them but by god, if a boat docks port with any crew that are unfairly treated!
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        Your whole comment is an example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, which is surprising because the GP literally brought that concept up. If you have to solve all problems to solve any problems, you'll solve no problems.
    - nobodyandproud 4y ago
      > It is not feasible for an individual to stay maximally informed on all things. The perfect is the enemy of the good. You don’t have to be maximally informed. What you haven’t convinced anyone is whether it’s at all possible for anyone to reasonably informed, to make enforcement possible. What does it take to even uncover questionable labor and practices? Can it be done without violating sovereignty? If not, should we? The consequences of an unenforceable law is worse than useless.

Yeah I would and do avoid that. And no, I’m not doing research to make maximally ethical decisions. I would greatly prefer if it were either outlawed or at least clearly labeled

nobodyandproud 4y ago
> And no, I’m not doing research to make maximally ethical decisions. I would greatly prefer if it were either outlawed or at least clearly labeled That’s a problem. A law doesn’t mean much unless people are both willing to uncover violations and also enforce the laws.
- oneoff786 4y ago
  It is not feasible for an individual to stay maximally informed on all things. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
  - aunty_helen 4y ago
    Thank you for invalidating any point you tried to make. My point, why worry about shipping when everything it’s transporting follows the same lax safety laws. First world society is largely supported on the backs of third world countries full of people working their arses off for little pay and no opportunity for betterment. Slave children can mine the minerals in the electronics, slave labor can assemble them but by god, if a boat docks port with any crew that are unfairly treated!
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      Your whole comment is an example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, which is surprising because the GP literally brought that concept up. If you have to solve all problems to solve any problems, you'll solve no problems.
  - nobodyandproud 4y ago
    > It is not feasible for an individual to stay maximally informed on all things. The perfect is the enemy of the good. You don’t have to be maximally informed. What you haven’t convinced anyone is whether it’s at all possible for anyone to reasonably informed, to make enforcement possible. What does it take to even uncover questionable labor and practices? Can it be done without violating sovereignty? If not, should we? The consequences of an unenforceable law is worse than useless.