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This sounds like GPT-3 trained on partisan talking points. If it's not, isn't it weird that you didn't notice that Democrats keep promising to codify Roe but ne
by scifibestfi 4y ago
This sounds like GPT-3 trained on partisan talking points. If it's not, isn't it weird that you didn't notice that Democrats keep promising to codify Roe but never do? They had 40 years!! If they solved the problem, they wouldn't have that to campaign on and raise money with. Keep people enraged to get their vote. You're spot on about that, but it's how both parties operate. Never solve the problem so it'll be there next cycle.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoRoe v Wade becomes codified, abortion becomes legal in all 50 states, immediately there is a lawsuit, they appeal to the supreme court, supreme court chooses to hear the case, supreme court repeals the codified Roe v. Wade. IANAL but how does codifying Roe v Wade change this?
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- brodouevencode 4y agoBy codified I think most people refer to it being enshrined into the Constitution.
- openasocket 4y agoThe decision made by the Supreme Court was that abortion was not a constitutionally-protected right, I doubt they would hold that allowing abortion was somehow unconstitutional. If that's what they wanted they would have gone ahead and declared that in their recent ruling. Instead they explicitly stated this is a matter for the legislature to decide.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoAhhh gotcha. Subtle but important difference. I think that I agree then.
- deelowe 4y agoYep. Wedge issues. I'm glad the SC is trying to force congress to do its job. If only someone would do something about executive orders, we may make some real progress.
- xpe 4y agoYou sound very naive. There is a long history and philosophy around the proper roles and relationships of a legislature and court such as SCOTUS. The current Court could claim to make decisions upon a strict originalist philosophy of jurisprudence. Maybe they think they do, and maybe they really do. But... Take an open-eyed look at history. Look at the process by which the justices are selected. This shows a different ultimate motivator: conservatives have been working for decades to pick justices whose claimed philosophies align with the conservative agenda.
- deelowe 4y agoAnd you sound like a one party voter. I don't care the motivation. The SC shouldn't be doing congress' job. Congress got burned because they've been complacent. RvW has always stood on tenuous footing. We've known this. Congress has literally had decades to do something and they chose instead to keep the status quo. Why? Because the republican threat helps democrat voter turnout. Same reason nothing is being done about the failed drug war.
- rootusrootus 4y agoThe Democrats have rarely had a filibuster-proof majority in congress that would allow them to codify Roe. And they have been working under the assumption that it was a settled issue. As I recall, even some of the recently appointed Supreme Court justices were under that impression as well. At least until they were sworn in.
- cogman10 4y agoEven when they had a filibuster-proof majority, they didn't have a majority that believed in abortion rights. Some of the democrats in obama's brief filibuster proof session were pro life. Even now, at least 1 democrat senator is pro life.
- xpe 4y agoPlease do not equate the parties. It is incredibly naïve to see two parties that aren't perfect and somehow wave your arms and say they are equivalently bad. They are clearly different both in terms of their policy objectives and their willingness to stay within the realm of truth and science.
- scifibestfi 4y agoPlease do equate them. Neither stays at all within the realm of truth and science. I can't believe anyone still genuinely thinks either party does in the year 2022.
- camgunz 4y agoAre you legitimately "both sides"-ing Democrats and Republicans here? Wake me up when a horde of armed Democrats storms the Capitol.
- xpe 4y agoIf Democrats stormed the capital they would probably do an energy efficiency retrofit. HANG the chandeliers ... show them the LED ... lights.
- scifibestfi 4y ago
- xpe 4y agoOK let's throw snowballs at each other and see where that gets us. We're on hacker news and hopefully we've all read the guidelines. Please respond to a charitable interpretation of the other party. I'm still waiting you for you to address the questions presented.
- camgunz 4y agoSorry let me be more polite. Your attempt to compare the Republican and Democratic parties creates a false equivalency. This is demonstrated by the January 6th insurrection fomented by a Republican president and covered up by the Republican establishment, which has no analog in the Democratic space. Democrats do bad things. The bad things they do aren't as bad as what Republicans do. It's like having both pancreatic cancer and a zit, one's worse than the other.
- xpe 4y agoYou act like this was completely up to the Democrats. Please point to a time in history when codifying Roe with legislation would have passed the Senate.
- xpe 4y agoOne part of what you say is largely true: fear motivates in the short term more than many other techniques.