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This is kind of a straw man, but I don't think he's wrong. The problem is that he's kind of straw manning what "libertarian" means in this context and by doing
by api 4y ago
This is kind of a straw man, but I don't think he's wrong. The problem is that he's kind of straw manning what "libertarian" means in this context and by doing so he's landing a much weaker blow against crypto than he could.
Libertarian, if words are to mean things, is roughly the view that the initiation of force should be extremely strictly limited. This includes the idea of small government since government has a legal monopoly on the initiation of force, but it also includes an aversion to private initiation of force including everything from riots and gang violence to... scams.
Scams and fraud count because any understanding of what force means that is not paper-thin includes the idea that deception and even perhaps some "dark pattern" style attacks on human cognition constitute force. Force is anything that attempts to contravene the independent will of another human being. That can be done by whacking someone on the head, pointing a gun at them, or gaslighting and lying to them to the point that their judgement is deeply impaired. In standard issue "pure" libertarian theory the only justification for force is in response to its use, but since scams and fraud are force there is justification for someone (usually a minimal rights-protecting government) to intervene.
One of my central problems with crypto is that it's not what it claims to be at all. There are many ways crypto isn't what it claims to be including being a bad currency and a bad inflation hedge, but it's also not what it politically claims to be.
Crypto is neither "libertarian" (rights-respecting) nor truly decentralized.
It's not a rights-respecting libertarian thing because it's absolutely lousy with scams and fraud of virtually every imaginable kind. It's not truly decentralized because proof of work tends toward centralization due to industrial economies of scale and proof of stake tends toward centralization due to its structural biasing of the system toward intense levels of wealth concentration. With either PoW or PoS you eventually end up with closed syndicates more or less owning the currency. Then you have cryptocurrencies with actual companies behind them or de-facto rulers like Ethereum.
With those factors leading to centralization and with scams and fraud and all kinds of opaque intermediaries popping up what you end up with is something far less transparent and honest than a central bank. All the criticisms of central banking apply, but more so.
Gold is decentralized because it's just matter and anyone can hold it without asking anyone's permission. Honestly even paper money, while "fiat," is more decentralized in that exchange is completely permissionless.
So while there are valid criticisms of libertarianism, it's not the problem. It's much, much worse than that. Crypto as presently organized and operated is a full-on scam, period. It's not what it claims to be.
The libertarians and decentralization advocates are among the marks in this scam.
- AlexandrB 4y ago> Force is anything that attempts to contravene the independent will of another human being. That can be done by whacking someone on the head, pointing a gun at them, or gaslighting and lying to them to the point that their judgement is deeply impaired. I find this definition of force somewhat counter to most libertarian positions I've seen. When it comes to employer/employee relationships, what is the need to eat other than "pointing a gun at [the employee]"? Under this definition of force, how can employees ever enter into contractual agreements with employers freely? Especially at bottom of the labor ladder, where the struggle to meet basic needs is more acute.
- api 4y agoThere is no easy canned answer. If there were easy answers to questions like this the world would be way simpler. Yet I can't even imagine how you can have a free society without some respect for the honesty. Without that at the very least people will start taking the law into their own hands, which leads to collapse and the tyranny of the nearest person with a big stick.