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I feel as though homophobia is never an acceptable worldview, so if you want me to reword what I said in a way that doesn’t imply that, I won’t. Some things ar

I feel as though homophobia is never an acceptable worldview, so if you want me to reword what I said in a way that doesn’t imply that, I won’t. Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter.

Banana699 4y ago
>If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter Anti gay muslims in the UAE (and beyond) have the same exact attitude, so that reduces the whole problem to who has the bigger money\stick\media horn, and they happen to be the ones who have on their territory.
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  They really don't. I always like to remind people it was an American expedition that discovered oil in Saudi Arabia. All empires collapse eventually but for now the West is still muddling on through.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    Are you implying that the US or the EU can simply threaten the gulf states militarily to make them tolerate LGBT rights? Why do you think it has never happened till now? From 1973 when the gulf states withheld oil and sent the west into a mini dark age till the murder of a US journalist in a foreign country? You realize that the majority of 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi nationals? Your hypotheses seems flawed.
maratc 4y ago
> Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter. The GP said, "in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position ... everyone must adhere to". Your response still assumes that universality.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  They said: "Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter." Similar concept but different issue: Do you think women should have equal rights as men? Do you think that should be universal? Or do you think it is OK for some jurisdictions to declare them the property of their husbands?
  - maratc 4y ago
    > Do you think women should have equal rights as men? What I think is irrelevant. The question why the US hasn't yet ratified the Equal Rights Amendment that would guarantee that "women have equal rights" is also irrelevant (hint: women opposed that). The relevant question is, whether a powerful state is right to impose its values (which it, undoubtedly, holds in high esteem) on other states.
    - andsoitis 4y ago
      > The relevant question is, whether a powerful state is right to impose its values (which it, undoubtedly, holds in high esteem) on other states. I thought we were talking about Amazon, not a state. But let's say we were talking about a state, I think the Universal Declaration of Human Rights can be the North Star that we hold states accountable to (incl. the United States of America). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human...
      - maratc 4y ago
        First, UAE hasn't signed that declaration. Do we hold UAE accountable to a declaration they never signed just because we've signed it and hold it a "North Star"? Second, the Declaration has nothing on LGBT rights, and it's not by mistake, but rather by the agreement of the signing parties at the time.
        andsoitis 4y ago
hypertele-Xii 4y ago
- staticman2 4y ago
  "Homophobia is the irrational fear of failure to maintain sexually reproductive replacement in society." No offense intended but this explanation reads like it was written by an alien who has never interacted with a human before. People become homophobic because at formative years they imitate and internalize homophobia from role models. Nobody is sitting around panicking about population levels.
  - hypertele-Xii 4y ago
    And where do those role models get it from? You can't rebuke me with just "it's role models all the way down".
    - staticman2 4y ago
      Culture- such as the culture of homophobia- takes on a life of it's own. It does not represent beliefs or fear it just is.
      - hypertele-Xii 4y ago
        Like a disease? Or a meme? An arbitrary custom?

Banana699 4y ago

>If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter Anti gay muslims in the UAE (and beyond) have the same exact attitude, so that reduces the whole problem to who has the bigger money\stick\media horn, and they happen to be the ones who have on their territory.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago
They really don't. I always like to remind people it was an American expedition that discovered oil in Saudi Arabia. All empires collapse eventually but for now the West is still muddling on through.
- Banana699 4y ago
  Are you implying that the US or the EU can simply threaten the gulf states militarily to make them tolerate LGBT rights? Why do you think it has never happened till now? From 1973 when the gulf states withheld oil and sent the west into a mini dark age till the murder of a US journalist in a foreign country? You realize that the majority of 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi nationals? Your hypotheses seems flawed.

maratc 4y ago

> Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter. The GP said, "in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position ... everyone must adhere to". Your response still assumes that universality.

andsoitis 4y ago
They said: "Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter." Similar concept but different issue: Do you think women should have equal rights as men? Do you think that should be universal? Or do you think it is OK for some jurisdictions to declare them the property of their husbands?
- maratc 4y ago
  > Do you think women should have equal rights as men? What I think is irrelevant. The question why the US hasn't yet ratified the Equal Rights Amendment that would guarantee that "women have equal rights" is also irrelevant (hint: women opposed that). The relevant question is, whether a powerful state is right to impose its values (which it, undoubtedly, holds in high esteem) on other states.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    > The relevant question is, whether a powerful state is right to impose its values (which it, undoubtedly, holds in high esteem) on other states. I thought we were talking about Amazon, not a state. But let's say we were talking about a state, I think the Universal Declaration of Human Rights can be the North Star that we hold states accountable to (incl. the United States of America). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human...
    - maratc 4y ago
      First, UAE hasn't signed that declaration. Do we hold UAE accountable to a declaration they never signed just because we've signed it and hold it a "North Star"? Second, the Declaration has nothing on LGBT rights, and it's not by mistake, but rather by the agreement of the signing parties at the time.
      - andsoitis 4y ago

hypertele-Xii 4y ago

staticman2 4y ago
"Homophobia is the irrational fear of failure to maintain sexually reproductive replacement in society." No offense intended but this explanation reads like it was written by an alien who has never interacted with a human before. People become homophobic because at formative years they imitate and internalize homophobia from role models. Nobody is sitting around panicking about population levels.
- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  And where do those role models get it from? You can't rebuke me with just "it's role models all the way down".
  - staticman2 4y ago
    Culture- such as the culture of homophobia- takes on a life of it's own. It does not represent beliefs or fear it just is.
    - hypertele-Xii 4y ago
      Like a disease? Or a meme? An arbitrary custom?