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> Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is t

> Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to?

wesleywt 4y ago
- HatchedLake721 4y ago
  - mdrzn 4y ago
  - sgift 4y ago
    > Should the whole world now turn their backs on the USA because of recent Roe v Wade overturn which most of the world sees as step backwards, that abolishes women rights, endangers their lives and criminalises what's is acceptable pretty much everywhere else? Yes, they should. Will they? Probably not, but these are two different things.
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  - torstenvl 4y ago
    Your position is that "most of the world," i.e., more than half of its 7.75 billion people, disapprove of Dobbs? How did you come to that figure? There's no possible way that's true unless you simply decide that the opinions of non-white people don't count. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/map-abortion-laws-around-the-world/2883475/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/map-a... And even that map overstates the situation, since, e.g., China's rule is essentially identical to Dobbs: individual provinces have the power to regulate. https://www.safeabortionwomensright.org/news/china-jiangxi-province-has-restricted-abortion-after-the-14th-week-of-pregnancy-because-of-the-sex-ratio-imbalance/ https://www.safeabortionwomensright.org/news/china-jiangxi-p... It's also obviously false that the U.S. has the world view that "detention without trial and major human right abuses" are acceptable. And it's dishonest to compare waging an illegal war with being gay - I mean, seriously, are you saying gay people are literal terrorists? There's no difference in your mind between two men honeymooning on the Persian Gulf and KSM? Seriously. C'mon man.
    - HatchedLake721 4y ago
      I've seen your previously deleted comment. You smell of bias when you use terms like "there's no possible way that's true" and "it's also obviously false". No, things you disagree with cannot be "obviously false", and there are things you think are false that can actually be true. I don't know if you're being pedantic or using straw man arguments by bringing "7.75 billion people" or introducing race into this discussion. I won't be getting into this. I'll just elaborate and rephrase. Yes, most of the world, where people live without oppression and tyranny, have grown up with freedom to information, are not religiously prosecuted, value other people's lives, appreciate access to healthcare and respect human rights, would oppose prosecution and criminalisation of women who want to abort their pregnancy after being raped or to stop their babies suffering and wait for them to die inside or to die on birth. > I mean, seriously, are you saying gay people are literal terrorists? Lol. Yes, I am saying exactly that, that gay people are literal terrorists. /s I have no clue how you got to that conclusion and why, along with race, you're now bringing terrorists to this conversation. > It's also obviously false that the U.S. has the world view that "detention without trial and major human right abuses" are acceptable. Yes, it's "obviously false" that Mohamedou Ould Slahi was tortured and imprisoned for 14 years without ever being charged until his release in 2016. And it's "obviously false" CIA was looking at options of how to assassinate a journalist (Julian Assange). It feels you view some things in black and white. The world, especially governments, are far from that. We can understand that governments (made out of people and decisions) fuck up and be patriotic at the same time.
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- usrn 4y ago
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- ominous 4y ago
  I do not defend that LGBTQ should be executed, and nothing I said implies it. I asked for the attack that one would make against Amazon. And you don't even dare to state that, yes, your worldview excludes UAE ahahahah should they be fixed? > Because that is the world-view of the UAE.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > your worldview excludes UAE ahahahah should they be fixed? They shouldn’t be supported in this aspect. The same way we get mad at our companies when they bribe foreign officials or take part in genocide or facilitate sex trafficking or pedophilia. Some things are plain wrong, and it’s not okay for our people and companies to be doing it anywhere.
sweetheart 4y ago
I feel as though homophobia is never an acceptable worldview, so if you want me to reword what I said in a way that doesn’t imply that, I won’t. Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter.
- Banana699 4y ago
  >If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter Anti gay muslims in the UAE (and beyond) have the same exact attitude, so that reduces the whole problem to who has the bigger money\stick\media horn, and they happen to be the ones who have on their territory.
  - MomoXenosaga 4y ago
    They really don't. I always like to remind people it was an American expedition that discovered oil in Saudi Arabia. All empires collapse eventually but for now the West is still muddling on through.
    - Banana699 4y ago
      Are you implying that the US or the EU can simply threaten the gulf states militarily to make them tolerate LGBT rights? Why do you think it has never happened till now? From 1973 when the gulf states withheld oil and sent the west into a mini dark age till the murder of a US journalist in a foreign country? You realize that the majority of 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi nationals? Your hypotheses seems flawed.
- maratc 4y ago
  > Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter. The GP said, "in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position ... everyone must adhere to". Your response still assumes that universality.
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schuyler2d 4y ago
> Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to? Why not apply your same maxim to the UAE and see where you get? Why do gay people in the UAE have to submit to what the UAE requires to be universal?
- troon-lover 4y ago
- maratc 4y ago
  We may roll with it to the point of discussing why do schoolchildren in the UAE have to submit to laws restricting guns, and how their freedom to bring guns to schools is oppressed. "There is no monopoly of common sense, on either side of the political fence."
- ominous 4y ago
  I am not above UAE to apply anything to them, and when interacting I'll interact in common ground, if possible and necessary. Are you above them? You both have humility when faced with whoever you consider inferior - LGBT people that are so oppressed people think Amazon should consider them in their decisions, and presumption against your superiors: UAE asserted themselves and you can't even admit you'd change them by force if you could. But you can't. Cry more.

wesleywt 4y ago

HatchedLake721 4y ago
- mdrzn 4y ago
- sgift 4y ago
  > Should the whole world now turn their backs on the USA because of recent Roe v Wade overturn which most of the world sees as step backwards, that abolishes women rights, endangers their lives and criminalises what's is acceptable pretty much everywhere else? Yes, they should. Will they? Probably not, but these are two different things.
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- lagadu 4y ago
- torstenvl 4y ago
  Your position is that "most of the world," i.e., more than half of its 7.75 billion people, disapprove of Dobbs? How did you come to that figure? There's no possible way that's true unless you simply decide that the opinions of non-white people don't count. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/map-abortion-laws-around-the-world/2883475/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/map-a... And even that map overstates the situation, since, e.g., China's rule is essentially identical to Dobbs: individual provinces have the power to regulate. https://www.safeabortionwomensright.org/news/china-jiangxi-province-has-restricted-abortion-after-the-14th-week-of-pregnancy-because-of-the-sex-ratio-imbalance/ https://www.safeabortionwomensright.org/news/china-jiangxi-p... It's also obviously false that the U.S. has the world view that "detention without trial and major human right abuses" are acceptable. And it's dishonest to compare waging an illegal war with being gay - I mean, seriously, are you saying gay people are literal terrorists? There's no difference in your mind between two men honeymooning on the Persian Gulf and KSM? Seriously. C'mon man.
  - HatchedLake721 4y ago
    I've seen your previously deleted comment. You smell of bias when you use terms like "there's no possible way that's true" and "it's also obviously false". No, things you disagree with cannot be "obviously false", and there are things you think are false that can actually be true. I don't know if you're being pedantic or using straw man arguments by bringing "7.75 billion people" or introducing race into this discussion. I won't be getting into this. I'll just elaborate and rephrase. Yes, most of the world, where people live without oppression and tyranny, have grown up with freedom to information, are not religiously prosecuted, value other people's lives, appreciate access to healthcare and respect human rights, would oppose prosecution and criminalisation of women who want to abort their pregnancy after being raped or to stop their babies suffering and wait for them to die inside or to die on birth. > I mean, seriously, are you saying gay people are literal terrorists? Lol. Yes, I am saying exactly that, that gay people are literal terrorists. /s I have no clue how you got to that conclusion and why, along with race, you're now bringing terrorists to this conversation. > It's also obviously false that the U.S. has the world view that "detention without trial and major human right abuses" are acceptable. Yes, it's "obviously false" that Mohamedou Ould Slahi was tortured and imprisoned for 14 years without ever being charged until his release in 2016. And it's "obviously false" CIA was looking at options of how to assassinate a journalist (Julian Assange). It feels you view some things in black and white. The world, especially governments, are far from that. We can understand that governments (made out of people and decisions) fuck up and be patriotic at the same time.
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usrn 4y ago
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ominous 4y ago
I do not defend that LGBTQ should be executed, and nothing I said implies it. I asked for the attack that one would make against Amazon. And you don't even dare to state that, yes, your worldview excludes UAE ahahahah should they be fixed? > Because that is the world-view of the UAE.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > your worldview excludes UAE ahahahah should they be fixed? They shouldn’t be supported in this aspect. The same way we get mad at our companies when they bribe foreign officials or take part in genocide or facilitate sex trafficking or pedophilia. Some things are plain wrong, and it’s not okay for our people and companies to be doing it anywhere.

sweetheart 4y ago

I feel as though homophobia is never an acceptable worldview, so if you want me to reword what I said in a way that doesn’t imply that, I won’t. Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter.

Banana699 4y ago
>If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter Anti gay muslims in the UAE (and beyond) have the same exact attitude, so that reduces the whole problem to who has the bigger money\stick\media horn, and they happen to be the ones who have on their territory.
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  They really don't. I always like to remind people it was an American expedition that discovered oil in Saudi Arabia. All empires collapse eventually but for now the West is still muddling on through.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    Are you implying that the US or the EU can simply threaten the gulf states militarily to make them tolerate LGBT rights? Why do you think it has never happened till now? From 1973 when the gulf states withheld oil and sent the west into a mini dark age till the murder of a US journalist in a foreign country? You realize that the majority of 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi nationals? Your hypotheses seems flawed.
maratc 4y ago
> Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things. If one’s worldview disagrees, then theirs is simply incorrect on this matter. The GP said, "in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position ... everyone must adhere to". Your response still assumes that universality.
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schuyler2d 4y ago

> Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to? Why not apply your same maxim to the UAE and see where you get? Why do gay people in the UAE have to submit to what the UAE requires to be universal?

troon-lover 4y ago
maratc 4y ago
We may roll with it to the point of discussing why do schoolchildren in the UAE have to submit to laws restricting guns, and how their freedom to bring guns to schools is oppressed. "There is no monopoly of common sense, on either side of the political fence."
ominous 4y ago
I am not above UAE to apply anything to them, and when interacting I'll interact in common ground, if possible and necessary. Are you above them? You both have humility when faced with whoever you consider inferior - LGBT people that are so oppressed people think Amazon should consider them in their decisions, and presumption against your superiors: UAE asserted themselves and you can't even admit you'd change them by force if you could. But you can't. Cry more.