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> What happens if I don't want to identify myself? That's a non issue in the EU. > What happens if poverty does not allow me to carry a digital ID? Governmen

> What happens if I don't want to identify myself? That's a non issue in the EU. > What happens if poverty does not allow me to carry a digital ID? Governments will probably pay this for you. > What happens if I lose my digital ID wallet or it is compromised? Same as the current EU eIDs in use right now or a passport. Revoke and reissue. > Also judging by dealing with the average citizen on a daily basis, even securing an iOS device and remembering the iCloud password is beyond their level of care. True, but that's probably something that needs to be improved with education.

closewith 4y ago
> That's a non issue in the EU. Maybe in your EU country. ID cards are not mandatory in mine (Ireland) - a national ID card has been rejected by the electorate multiple times. Be careful not to generalise your own experience to the entire bloc - it's not a homogeneous entity.
- ranguna 4y ago
  You are right, apologies.
- xxs 4y ago
  Actually I can think of only Ireland...
  - dalke 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_Sweden: "There are several identity documents used in Sweden. None are compulsory by law, meaning that there is no formal penalty for not possessing one." In practice things are more difficult without one one. (Mine expired in January. I didn't notice until I needed to pick up a package a few weeks ago. Ended up using my US passport instead.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document says "A number of countries have voluntary identity card schemes. These include Austria, Belize, Finland, France (see France section), Hungary (however, all citizens of Hungary must have at least one of: valid passport, photo-based driving licence, or the National ID card), Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Saint Lucia, Sweden, Switzerland and the United States." Checking Finland, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_identity_card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_identity_card says it's about the same as Sweden: "Possession of an ID card or any ID document is non-compulsory in Finland, though interactions with officials and companies, like voting, picking up a parcel from Posti offices or buying alcohol when a salesperson suspects buyer to be under 18 or 30 years old, can be difficult or impossible without an ID card, a passport or a driving licence." As I recall, in Sweden to vote without id you need someone who does have an id and knows you to vouch for you.
    - wink 4y ago
      To sum it up, it's a complete mess and every country has different rules and also enforces them differently. After all these years I still have no clue what is actually an official ruling of anything because I've had no problem showing my driver's licence when officially I'd needed my id card (in Germany). Then there's the decade old widespread rumour that you need to _carry_ any form of id, which is completely wrong (with a few exceptions).
      - Asooka 4y ago
        Freedom is messy.
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    Dane here, I am not required to provide id, only to identify myself if asked by a police officer.
- andrewshadura 4y ago
  > a national ID card has been rejected by the electorate multiple times However there’s a passport card, which is nearly indistinguishable from an identity card: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_passport#Passport_Card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_passport#Passport_Card
  - closewith 4y ago
    It's nearly indistinguishable from a passport, not a national ID card (at least as implemented in other EU states). The closest thing in Ireland was the "mandatory but not compulsory" Public Services Card and the related MyGovID, until it was ruled unlawful to require a PSC for access to government services. There really is nothing like a mandatory national ID card in Ireland.
- timeon 4y ago
  I would welcome this ID but also think that this needs to be optional.
_Algernon_ 4y ago
>That's a non issue in the EU. For now

closewith 4y ago

> That's a non issue in the EU. Maybe in your EU country. ID cards are not mandatory in mine (Ireland) - a national ID card has been rejected by the electorate multiple times. Be careful not to generalise your own experience to the entire bloc - it's not a homogeneous entity.

ranguna 4y ago
You are right, apologies.
xxs 4y ago
Actually I can think of only Ireland...
- dalke 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_Sweden: "There are several identity documents used in Sweden. None are compulsory by law, meaning that there is no formal penalty for not possessing one." In practice things are more difficult without one one. (Mine expired in January. I didn't notice until I needed to pick up a package a few weeks ago. Ended up using my US passport instead.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document says "A number of countries have voluntary identity card schemes. These include Austria, Belize, Finland, France (see France section), Hungary (however, all citizens of Hungary must have at least one of: valid passport, photo-based driving licence, or the National ID card), Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Saint Lucia, Sweden, Switzerland and the United States." Checking Finland, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_identity_card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_identity_card says it's about the same as Sweden: "Possession of an ID card or any ID document is non-compulsory in Finland, though interactions with officials and companies, like voting, picking up a parcel from Posti offices or buying alcohol when a salesperson suspects buyer to be under 18 or 30 years old, can be difficult or impossible without an ID card, a passport or a driving licence." As I recall, in Sweden to vote without id you need someone who does have an id and knows you to vouch for you.
  - wink 4y ago
    To sum it up, it's a complete mess and every country has different rules and also enforces them differently. After all these years I still have no clue what is actually an official ruling of anything because I've had no problem showing my driver's licence when officially I'd needed my id card (in Germany). Then there's the decade old widespread rumour that you need to _carry_ any form of id, which is completely wrong (with a few exceptions).
    - Asooka 4y ago
      Freedom is messy.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  Dane here, I am not required to provide id, only to identify myself if asked by a police officer.
andrewshadura 4y ago
> a national ID card has been rejected by the electorate multiple times However there’s a passport card, which is nearly indistinguishable from an identity card: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_passport#Passport_Card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_passport#Passport_Card
- closewith 4y ago
  It's nearly indistinguishable from a passport, not a national ID card (at least as implemented in other EU states). The closest thing in Ireland was the "mandatory but not compulsory" Public Services Card and the related MyGovID, until it was ruled unlawful to require a PSC for access to government services. There really is nothing like a mandatory national ID card in Ireland.
timeon 4y ago
I would welcome this ID but also think that this needs to be optional.

_Algernon_ 4y ago

>That's a non issue in the EU. For now