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I'm able to do all these with a simple text editor, an IDE takes up resources, implements tracking, and real programmers basically have no use for anything asid

I'm able to do all these with a simple text editor, an IDE takes up resources, implements tracking, and real programmers basically have no use for anything aside from a simple text editor.

9dev 4y ago
Is that the classical „real men don’t need guns, we kill with our bare hands“?
IshKebab 4y ago
Bit of a stretch to describe something that has all the features of an IDE as a "simple text editor". Notepad is a simple text editor. What you have is a text editor that you've (presumably) augmented with a ton of plugins to turn it into a full IDE.
roflyear 4y ago
How's refactoring support and formatting code? Navigating code as in click and go to definition? I say this because I work with someone who uses VIM and these are constant issues working with them.
- bern4444 4y ago
  for neovim with lspconfig: formatting code: `lua vim.lsp.buf.formatting_sync()` go to definition: `lua vim.lsp.buf.definition()` rename variable: `lua vim.lsp.buf.rename()` type information: `lua vim.lsp.buf.hover()` find references: `lua vim.lsp.buf.references()` code actions (add missing import etc): `lua vim.lsp.buf.code_action()` For more commands `:h vim.lsp.buf`. There is plenty available through LSP today supported by all editors. IDEs provide a better debugging experience (with breakpoints and variable values) though that too can be done with vim/neovim using the debug adapter protocol and plugins built on it (similar to language server protocol but for debugging).
  - 9dev 4y ago
    So, am I supposed to type all that cruft? Instead of just pressing alt-enter to bring up the suggestions menu, choose the obvious first item by pressing enter again, and have everything you have to remember several arcane incantations for done automatically..? I never got the command line purist crowd. I prefer spending time on solving business domain problems…
    - spoils19 4y ago
      What if the suggestions menu crashes? Have you considered the extra RAM that is being used that could go further towards solving business problems? What if the curated menu of autosuggestions doesn't contain what you need?
      - kaba0 4y ago
        I’m not sure whether you are sarcastic or not, but come on.. what if the LSP crashes, or you know, that also eats more RAM (and I am sure that someone with a 128GB laptop doesn’t get more work done than someone with only a 16GB one..).
    - bern4444 4y ago
      You can but it’s a lot a nicer to set key bindings. For example I hit ,gd which I have mapped to the go to definition. I also have ,fr mapped to find references. You can come up with whatever mappings you want. I have K (so shift + k) to show the type information. Etc etc. Vim and neovim let you customize all this and anything else.

I'm able to do all these with a simple text editor, an IDE takes up resources, implements tracking, and real programmers basically have no use for anything aside from a simple text editor.

9dev 4y ago

Is that the classical „real men don’t need guns, we kill with our bare hands“?

IshKebab 4y ago

Bit of a stretch to describe something that has all the features of an IDE as a "simple text editor". Notepad is a simple text editor. What you have is a text editor that you've (presumably) augmented with a ton of plugins to turn it into a full IDE.

roflyear 4y ago

How's refactoring support and formatting code? Navigating code as in click and go to definition? I say this because I work with someone who uses VIM and these are constant issues working with them.

bern4444 4y ago
for neovim with lspconfig: formatting code: `lua vim.lsp.buf.formatting_sync()` go to definition: `lua vim.lsp.buf.definition()` rename variable: `lua vim.lsp.buf.rename()` type information: `lua vim.lsp.buf.hover()` find references: `lua vim.lsp.buf.references()` code actions (add missing import etc): `lua vim.lsp.buf.code_action()` For more commands `:h vim.lsp.buf`. There is plenty available through LSP today supported by all editors. IDEs provide a better debugging experience (with breakpoints and variable values) though that too can be done with vim/neovim using the debug adapter protocol and plugins built on it (similar to language server protocol but for debugging).
- 9dev 4y ago
  So, am I supposed to type all that cruft? Instead of just pressing alt-enter to bring up the suggestions menu, choose the obvious first item by pressing enter again, and have everything you have to remember several arcane incantations for done automatically..? I never got the command line purist crowd. I prefer spending time on solving business domain problems…
  - spoils19 4y ago
    What if the suggestions menu crashes? Have you considered the extra RAM that is being used that could go further towards solving business problems? What if the curated menu of autosuggestions doesn't contain what you need?
    - kaba0 4y ago
      I’m not sure whether you are sarcastic or not, but come on.. what if the LSP crashes, or you know, that also eats more RAM (and I am sure that someone with a 128GB laptop doesn’t get more work done than someone with only a 16GB one..).
  - bern4444 4y ago
    You can but it’s a lot a nicer to set key bindings. For example I hit ,gd which I have mapped to the go to definition. I also have ,fr mapped to find references. You can come up with whatever mappings you want. I have K (so shift + k) to show the type information. Etc etc. Vim and neovim let you customize all this and anything else.