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Where new escalators have been put in they do. Mostly this is in new stations or station entrances. Eg the new Cannon St Stn entrance. I suspect there's no rea

Where new escalators have been put in they do. Mostly this is in new stations or station entrances. Eg the new Cannon St Stn entrance. I suspect there's no reasonable way to retrofit them to existing ones - probably requires a different type of electric motor and AC speed controller plus sensors which is getting to be a pretty big job (so expensive even if the parts aren't). It takes TFL about 9 months to replace out an old escalator for a new one. I think I'm correct to say they have 50 year operational lives.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
> It takes TFL about 9 months to replace out an old escalator for a new one. I think I'm correct to say they have 50 year operational lives. Seriously? Why? Genuinely curious It takes them a few days to replace the ones in local supermarkets, including the flat conveyor ones to carry the trolleys.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  Probably because they're bespoke, subject to heavier use, located in confined spaces, and are expected to run 20 hours a day for 50 years.
- Delphiza 4y ago
  The health and safety aspect is mind-numbingly overbearing. And for good reason. It is an underground workspace that is surrounded by the general public. When escalators are replaced the entire work area gets boxed in. There must be significant controls in terms of dust, gas (like welding equipment), noise etc. Fire is a significant risk and the underground has history that makes them anxious about fire and escalators (see Kings Cross Fire). Most of the work probably has to take place after hours, and subject to other maintenance taking place. On the underground, you can't just put a new escalator in a docker container and spin it up. The Underground is a significantly complex environment.
- brk 4y ago
  From a few cases I have seen, it is partly due to the very long service life. New units are substantially different from older ones, particularly in all the bits of it that you do not see as a pedestrian. Often times the retrofit involves a lot of concrete work and other work to adapt the mounting and support points to accommodate the newer designs. Couple this with the fact that you are usually doing the work in sub-optimal conditions because they are trying to keep the rest of the area open for pedestrians, so there is additional safety considerations that you don't have in a new construction install.
- PebblesRox 4y ago
  Reminds me of this interesting behind-the-scenes look at an escalator replacement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28207386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28207386

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

> It takes TFL about 9 months to replace out an old escalator for a new one. I think I'm correct to say they have 50 year operational lives. Seriously? Why? Genuinely curious It takes them a few days to replace the ones in local supermarkets, including the flat conveyor ones to carry the trolleys.

Symbiote 4y ago
Probably because they're bespoke, subject to heavier use, located in confined spaces, and are expected to run 20 hours a day for 50 years.
Delphiza 4y ago
The health and safety aspect is mind-numbingly overbearing. And for good reason. It is an underground workspace that is surrounded by the general public. When escalators are replaced the entire work area gets boxed in. There must be significant controls in terms of dust, gas (like welding equipment), noise etc. Fire is a significant risk and the underground has history that makes them anxious about fire and escalators (see Kings Cross Fire). Most of the work probably has to take place after hours, and subject to other maintenance taking place. On the underground, you can't just put a new escalator in a docker container and spin it up. The Underground is a significantly complex environment.
brk 4y ago
From a few cases I have seen, it is partly due to the very long service life. New units are substantially different from older ones, particularly in all the bits of it that you do not see as a pedestrian. Often times the retrofit involves a lot of concrete work and other work to adapt the mounting and support points to accommodate the newer designs. Couple this with the fact that you are usually doing the work in sub-optimal conditions because they are trying to keep the rest of the area open for pedestrians, so there is additional safety considerations that you don't have in a new construction install.
PebblesRox 4y ago
Reminds me of this interesting behind-the-scenes look at an escalator replacement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28207386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28207386