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Well, apparently "she" didn't. She was fired. The thing is, you could potentially make 40-80k(OR MORE!!!) after taxes faking it for six months. I've been thinki

by tjr225 4y ago

Well, apparently "she" didn't. She was fired. The thing is, you could potentially make 40-80k(OR MORE!!!) after taxes faking it for six months. I've been thinking about this scam a lot lately. In fact, there's nothing illegal about being a shitty employee for six months which complicates things. There's definitely an opportunity here to make a bunch of money at least pretending to fix this problem. Or maybe capital just decides to bring everyone back into the office.

EMIRELADERO 4y ago
Couldn't there be a case for fraud?
- tjr225 4y ago
  I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer. But also what is stopping just any old person from doing this once or twice a year? Is being fireable fraud? I doubt it but again, I’m not a lawyer.
  - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
    In the UK it's 'obtaining a pecuniary gain by deception' the same as lying on your CV. If you're routinely outsourcing parts of your job (because you can't do it yourself) then you've met the standard for prosecution.
    - filoleg 4y ago
      > If you're routinely outsourcing parts of your job (because you can't do it yourself) then you've met the standard for prosecution. I imagine it would be a problem in the US too, just for other reasons probably. You are essentially giving confidential work info to a third party that has no relationship with your employer. Not a lawyer, but I don't see a deception charge for "under-performing and getting fired for it (while having 2 jobs)" faring well in courts. Think about it: if you were performing your work well, despite having 2 jobs, what would the deception be? You promised to deliver work on your own, you deliver it on your own. The other job has no intersection with your other one, they are entirely independent. The only difference between that situation and the same situation but poor performance is literally just your performance. Poor performance doesn't automatically turn that situation into deception.
      - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
        The deception is implicit, when you take on a full time role it's commonly understood that you're declaring that you're dedicating yourself to that role on a full time basis, i.e. that you don't have another full time job. The law is interpreted by human beings, you know, it's not a 'code is law' situation. Remember that a jury would make the final decision. I can see a good lawyer using an argument along the lines of 'well, you said agreed to work FULL time. If a bucket is already FULL would a reasonable person expect the bucket to be able to carry any more load?' and winning.
astura 4y ago
>there's nothing illegal about being a shitty employee for six months If there is fraudulent intent it is illegal. The intent is what matters here.
- tjr225 4y ago
  Assume it is illegal, will your average employer care enough to pursue damages for six months of lost wages? How do you prove the employee wasn’t simply incompetent?

by tjr225 4y ago

EMIRELADERO 4y ago

Couldn't there be a case for fraud?

tjr225 4y ago
I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer. But also what is stopping just any old person from doing this once or twice a year? Is being fireable fraud? I doubt it but again, I’m not a lawyer.
- Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
  In the UK it's 'obtaining a pecuniary gain by deception' the same as lying on your CV. If you're routinely outsourcing parts of your job (because you can't do it yourself) then you've met the standard for prosecution.
  - filoleg 4y ago
    > If you're routinely outsourcing parts of your job (because you can't do it yourself) then you've met the standard for prosecution. I imagine it would be a problem in the US too, just for other reasons probably. You are essentially giving confidential work info to a third party that has no relationship with your employer. Not a lawyer, but I don't see a deception charge for "under-performing and getting fired for it (while having 2 jobs)" faring well in courts. Think about it: if you were performing your work well, despite having 2 jobs, what would the deception be? You promised to deliver work on your own, you deliver it on your own. The other job has no intersection with your other one, they are entirely independent. The only difference between that situation and the same situation but poor performance is literally just your performance. Poor performance doesn't automatically turn that situation into deception.
    - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
      The deception is implicit, when you take on a full time role it's commonly understood that you're declaring that you're dedicating yourself to that role on a full time basis, i.e. that you don't have another full time job. The law is interpreted by human beings, you know, it's not a 'code is law' situation. Remember that a jury would make the final decision. I can see a good lawyer using an argument along the lines of 'well, you said agreed to work FULL time. If a bucket is already FULL would a reasonable person expect the bucket to be able to carry any more load?' and winning.

astura 4y ago

>there's nothing illegal about being a shitty employee for six months If there is fraudulent intent it is illegal. The intent is what matters here.

tjr225 4y ago
Assume it is illegal, will your average employer care enough to pursue damages for six months of lost wages? How do you prove the employee wasn’t simply incompetent?