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> For comparison, can we look at what portion of MIT's research grants are Defense related? MIT being the US host. I think we should absolutely do that. MIT's

> For comparison, can we look at what portion of MIT's research grants are Defense related? MIT being the US host. I think we should absolutely do that. MIT's figure is going to be nowhere close to 60%. https://web.mit.edu/fnl/vol/155/numbers_research_total.htm https://web.mit.edu/fnl/vol/155/numbers_research_total.htm > Most academic CS and IT research in the US is defense-funded, has been all along. That also is false. It's nowhere close to "most" across all US CS and IT research.

lelandfe 4y ago
https://ir.mit.edu/research-expenditures#block-yui_3_17_2_1_1535476448046_10034 https://ir.mit.edu/research-expenditures#block-yui_3_17_2_1_... 2020 numbers. DOD is 17%
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jrochkind1 4y ago
Thanks for the details. Department of Defence is listed at 18% MIT-wide, which is not close to 60%, true. It is the #1 source of research funds. Curious what the Department of Energy grants are about, and what overlap it ends up having with defense purposes if it's nuclear. That's the second biggest source of research funding at 15%. 18+15==33%, still not 60%. > That also is false. It's nowhere close to "most" across all US CS and IT research. I'd be curious to see numbers for that too, for MIT CS department(s) specifically, and in general in the US. I have definitely known a lot of CS professors and projects with DARPA and other DoD funding, it is quite common.
seoaeu 4y ago
“Campus” is subtle because it doesn’t count the roughly $1B of military funding that goes to Lincoln Lab, an MIT subsidiary
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  ooh, good catch.
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- lelandfe 4y ago
  https://www.afcea.org/content/air-force-continues-2-billion-ffrdc-funding-mits-lincoln-lab-rapid-prototyping https://www.afcea.org/content/air-force-continues-2-billion-... And maybe substantially more...
  - jrochkind1 4y ago
    Wow, the total amount of "research expenditures" "on campus" in the earlier chart was only $447 million. And here we have a $9.6 billion contract (albeit not for just one year, i'm sure) that wasn't included... it does seem like that earlier chart was not very comprehensive.

lelandfe 4y ago

https://ir.mit.edu/research-expenditures#block-yui_3_17_2_1_1535476448046_10034 https://ir.mit.edu/research-expenditures#block-yui_3_17_2_1_... 2020 numbers. DOD is 17%

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jrochkind1 4y ago

Thanks for the details. Department of Defence is listed at 18% MIT-wide, which is not close to 60%, true. It is the #1 source of research funds. Curious what the Department of Energy grants are about, and what overlap it ends up having with defense purposes if it's nuclear. That's the second biggest source of research funding at 15%. 18+15==33%, still not 60%. > That also is false. It's nowhere close to "most" across all US CS and IT research. I'd be curious to see numbers for that too, for MIT CS department(s) specifically, and in general in the US. I have definitely known a lot of CS professors and projects with DARPA and other DoD funding, it is quite common.

seoaeu 4y ago

“Campus” is subtle because it doesn’t count the roughly $1B of military funding that goes to Lincoln Lab, an MIT subsidiary

jrochkind1 4y ago
ooh, good catch.
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lelandfe 4y ago
https://www.afcea.org/content/air-force-continues-2-billion-ffrdc-funding-mits-lincoln-lab-rapid-prototyping https://www.afcea.org/content/air-force-continues-2-billion-... And maybe substantially more...
- jrochkind1 4y ago
  Wow, the total amount of "research expenditures" "on campus" in the earlier chart was only $447 million. And here we have a $9.6 billion contract (albeit not for just one year, i'm sure) that wasn't included... it does seem like that earlier chart was not very comprehensive.