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yes, this is absolutely true. Hans Rosling did one his most well know presentations on the the impact of female education to the eradication of poverty via two

yes, this is absolutely true. Hans Rosling did one his most well know presentations on the the impact of female education to the eradication of poverty via two mechanism - female entry into the market economy + reduction in the number of births. That said though, all developed economies are now so far down this road that we are below the replacement rate and will die out in a few generations without a course correction

yoyohello13 4y ago
What is that course correction going to be? Unfortunately, it seems like the US is choosing to reduce opportunities for women, rather that reducing the economic burden of raising a family.
- hunglee2 4y ago
  no idea, there have been no examples of any country successfully reversing declining fertility rate. In fact, it seems only massive unplanned societal disruption - famine, war, invasion - increases the rate. Iraq for instance has had a population boom since the two US led invasions, 50% of its population are now under the age of 15.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Iraq is country where women don't get to say how many children they have. Husband decides that and has power to force what he wants.
  - Jolter 4y ago
    Wait - it almost seems like you think having a higher birth rate would be good for America? How so?
Jolter 4y ago
Yet populations across Europe are not shrinking. Birth rates may go up and down but people still want to move there. Seems to work, so far. To use the phrase “die out” stinks 30’s Germany to me, and I think you could stand to think twice before using such verbiage.
- TapWaterBandit 4y ago
  Especially because these sorts of predictions have happened before. Look at this prediction for the world in 2022 from 1922: >Vive la France? > No one would be left to appreciate the Eiffel Tower or the Arc de Triomphe. > French scientists were concerned about the nation’s birth rate 100 year ago. In 1860, there had been 1 million births in the country. In 1922, the number had fallen to 450,000. > As one observer noted: “At the rate of decline in number of children born in that country, in the year 2022 — 100 years hence — there will be nobody left in France, except as they drift in from other sections of Europe. The figures show, unerringly, that the present rate of decrease, maintained for 100 years, would reduce the birthrate to zero.” https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/12/27/experts-from-1922-made-prophecies-2022-future-predictions-new-york-science-city-of-tomorrow/8972713002/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/12/27/experts-... And what happened in the 20th century post WW2? A French Baby Boom driven by increased marital fertility: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-20th_century_baby_boom#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-20th_century_baby_boom#Eur... > France and Austria experienced the strongest baby booms in Europe.[19] In contrast to most other countries, the French and Austrian baby booms were driven primarily by an increase in marital fertility.[28] In the French case, pronatalist policies were an important factor in this increase.[29] Weaker baby booms occurred in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands.[30] We really have no idea what is going on with fertility and what the end result will be. When population was booming everyone predicted mass starvation that didn't happen. Now when population is declining everyone is confidently predicting disaster, but who's to say it won't self-correct? (alongside appropriate societal efforts)?
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    > We really have no idea what is going on with fertility and what the end result will be. When population was booming everyone predicted mass starvation that didn't happen. Now when population is declining everyone is confidently predicting disaster, but who's to say it won't self-correct? (alongside appropriate societal efforts)? The two big changes from previous decades are women’s financial independence and birth control methods that are 100% effective and relatively convenient and cheap, essentially separating the acts of having sex and becoming parents.
yucky 4y ago
>female entry into the market economy Let us not forget the downward pressure this labor surplus created on wages.

yoyohello13 4y ago

What is that course correction going to be? Unfortunately, it seems like the US is choosing to reduce opportunities for women, rather that reducing the economic burden of raising a family.

hunglee2 4y ago
no idea, there have been no examples of any country successfully reversing declining fertility rate. In fact, it seems only massive unplanned societal disruption - famine, war, invasion - increases the rate. Iraq for instance has had a population boom since the two US led invasions, 50% of its population are now under the age of 15.
- watwut 4y ago
  Iraq is country where women don't get to say how many children they have. Husband decides that and has power to force what he wants.
- Jolter 4y ago
  Wait - it almost seems like you think having a higher birth rate would be good for America? How so?

Jolter 4y ago

Yet populations across Europe are not shrinking. Birth rates may go up and down but people still want to move there. Seems to work, so far. To use the phrase “die out” stinks 30’s Germany to me, and I think you could stand to think twice before using such verbiage.

TapWaterBandit 4y ago
Especially because these sorts of predictions have happened before. Look at this prediction for the world in 2022 from 1922: >Vive la France? > No one would be left to appreciate the Eiffel Tower or the Arc de Triomphe. > French scientists were concerned about the nation’s birth rate 100 year ago. In 1860, there had been 1 million births in the country. In 1922, the number had fallen to 450,000. > As one observer noted: “At the rate of decline in number of children born in that country, in the year 2022 — 100 years hence — there will be nobody left in France, except as they drift in from other sections of Europe. The figures show, unerringly, that the present rate of decrease, maintained for 100 years, would reduce the birthrate to zero.” https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/12/27/experts-from-1922-made-prophecies-2022-future-predictions-new-york-science-city-of-tomorrow/8972713002/ https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/12/27/experts-... And what happened in the 20th century post WW2? A French Baby Boom driven by increased marital fertility: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-20th_century_baby_boom#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-20th_century_baby_boom#Eur... > France and Austria experienced the strongest baby booms in Europe.[19] In contrast to most other countries, the French and Austrian baby booms were driven primarily by an increase in marital fertility.[28] In the French case, pronatalist policies were an important factor in this increase.[29] Weaker baby booms occurred in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands.[30] We really have no idea what is going on with fertility and what the end result will be. When population was booming everyone predicted mass starvation that didn't happen. Now when population is declining everyone is confidently predicting disaster, but who's to say it won't self-correct? (alongside appropriate societal efforts)?
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  > We really have no idea what is going on with fertility and what the end result will be. When population was booming everyone predicted mass starvation that didn't happen. Now when population is declining everyone is confidently predicting disaster, but who's to say it won't self-correct? (alongside appropriate societal efforts)? The two big changes from previous decades are women’s financial independence and birth control methods that are 100% effective and relatively convenient and cheap, essentially separating the acts of having sex and becoming parents.

yucky 4y ago

>female entry into the market economy Let us not forget the downward pressure this labor surplus created on wages.