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> Short term, it's decidedly not good, but long term? How can we know? History. > If the approach is so inherently flawed that this result is an inevitability

> Short term, it's decidedly not good, but long term? How can we know? History. > If the approach is so inherently flawed that this result is an inevitability Only an inevitability due to attitudes like yours. Please stop contributing/pushing for the end of the open web.

lucasyvas 4y ago
Man, I use Firefox for Christ sake. You don't have to be anti open web to know letting anti-competitive behaviour run rampant is even worse than having the open web that we have today. Your perspective is as insane to me as mine is to you. Don't let a corporation make decisions about your computing freedom for you. Anti-competitive behaviour from both sides is why we're in this situation (Apple/Safari/Chrome) to begin with.
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- MBCook 4y ago
  Do you know why Safari and Chrome exist? Safari was created so Apple wouldn’t be totally dependent on MS for a web browser. They’ve been in that situation many times before (and since). Apple is allergic to depending on someone else for something really important. Why does Chrome exist? Same reason. Google didn’t want to depend on being at the whims of Microsoft. They wanted to ensure they would have a browser that would do what they needed. Both existed to open the internet more from what was going on at the time. Now people want to kill one to let the other become triumphant. That’s what makes no sense to me.
  - depressedpanda 4y ago
    What doesnt make sense to me are people thinking that Safari will die if Apple is forced to allow other browsers on iPhone. Don't underestimate the inertia of defaults. Safari will still be the default browser. A way more likely scenario is that Apple no longer will be able to drag their feet, holding the web back, but instead will actually have to keep Safari up to date and competetive with other browsers.

lucasyvas 4y ago

Man, I use Firefox for Christ sake. You don't have to be anti open web to know letting anti-competitive behaviour run rampant is even worse than having the open web that we have today. Your perspective is as insane to me as mine is to you. Don't let a corporation make decisions about your computing freedom for you. Anti-competitive behaviour from both sides is why we're in this situation (Apple/Safari/Chrome) to begin with.

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MBCook 4y ago
Do you know why Safari and Chrome exist? Safari was created so Apple wouldn’t be totally dependent on MS for a web browser. They’ve been in that situation many times before (and since). Apple is allergic to depending on someone else for something really important. Why does Chrome exist? Same reason. Google didn’t want to depend on being at the whims of Microsoft. They wanted to ensure they would have a browser that would do what they needed. Both existed to open the internet more from what was going on at the time. Now people want to kill one to let the other become triumphant. That’s what makes no sense to me.
- depressedpanda 4y ago
  What doesnt make sense to me are people thinking that Safari will die if Apple is forced to allow other browsers on iPhone. Don't underestimate the inertia of defaults. Safari will still be the default browser. A way more likely scenario is that Apple no longer will be able to drag their feet, holding the web back, but instead will actually have to keep Safari up to date and competetive with other browsers.