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I'm in the interview loop with two places atm (one is Google) and they're both remote. Last time I was frantically looking hard in 2019 I couldn't find any remo

by pram 4y ago

I'm in the interview loop with two places atm (one is Google) and they're both remote. Last time I was frantically looking hard in 2019 I couldn't find any remote positions, so it's still a lot easier from my pov. Also I've found that submitting job applications through LinkedIn's 'easy apply' thing is rarely successful. It doesn't seem like recruiters often check that. I've had the most replies from going through the company job posting websites. I know it's a pain in the ass but shrug

_fat_santa 4y ago
Personally I never use easy apply or go through websites, I always talk to a recruiter on LinkedIn. Usually I'll get 1-2 messages per week from recruiters about a position, I'll politely decline but tell them I would like to keep in touch. Whenever I go looking for another gig, all those recruiters are hit up. IMO, having a recruiter helps you cut through a ton of BS like filling out job applications, recruiter takes care of all that for you.
- Uptrenda 4y ago
  My experience with recruiters has always been negative. Do you mean internal recruiters or external ones?
  - wollsmoth 4y ago
    Most external recruiters aren't that useful in my experience. Unless they happen to have a client you want to connect with at the time you are looking. Internal recruiters have helped speed me through the process in many cases though, so those are worth connecting with imo.
  - autarch 4y ago
    I was recently looking for a new position and I found internal recruiters were quite useful. My experience with external recruiters was mixed, though at least a couple did get me interviews at places that seemed decent.
- boppo1 4y ago
  How do you go looking for recruiters?
  - klodolph 4y ago
    Recruiters for tech position generate leads from various sources like Linked In, GitHub, Stack Overflow, etc. If you're in a software engineering position, it's common for recruiters to contact you. If you don't want to switch jobs right now, just reply to the recruiters that contact you and say "I'm happy with my current position." or something similar--short, to the point, professional, not dismissive. The recruiter will keep your email in the system and follow up later. (Sometimes they'll follow up immediately, you can safely ignore immediate followups without explanation.) You can also follow up later and say that you're now interested. You should also know the difference between internal and external recruiters. Internal recruiters tend to be easier to work with just because their incentives are more likely to be aligned with the company that they are hiring with--so if you have some recruiter emails saved in your inbox, start by contacting internal recruiters for companies that you would consider working for.
  - IshKebab 4y ago
    Just make a LinkedIn profile and you'll start getting job adverts from recruiters. Not always relevant but they often are.
  - xeromal 4y ago
    I just save ones that write reasonable emails to me. You can definitely get a feel if they're worth your time or not depending on how they phrase their email to you.
  - rnk 4y ago
    You could just put "open to opportunities" on your linked in. I always wondered if that would hurt at my last job, now I just leave it on all the time.
    - wyclif 4y ago
      This is what I do. I leave it on all the time, which signals to recruiters that I'm at least willing to hear them out.
- theonething 4y ago
  Man, I ignore all the recruiters that contact me. It's just too many. Not humble bragging, it's just the reality. And not trying to rude. I have trouble keeping up with my personal emails, much less random recruiters on the internet. I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. So far in my career (10+ years), I've just applied to company job postings and that's worked out pretty well for me.
  - kypro 4y ago
    Recruiters probably won't hold a grudge against you if you're a highly skilled engineer that they know they can place easily. Fortunately for us there's just not enough skilled engineers for recruiters to be too picky. That said, I personally try to keep good relationships with recruiters because as a contractor because it can be useful when looking for my next job. If you're a junior dev or working in a highly competitive industry though I would be much more careful not to upset recruiters too much. Not that you won't be able to get work, but you'll be making things considerably harder for yourself. Recruiters don't expect you to reply to their emails btw - unless you're interested in the role they're recruiting for of course. I think it's polite to answer the phone if they call though. Normally it takes about 30 seconds to tell them you're not on the market, but will but will be in touch when you are. I think a lot of people can be quite rude to recruiters and they seem to appreciate the fact I'm polite to them and happy to have a quick chat.
    - iso1631 4y ago
      The worst is a recruiter promising a "highly competitive salary" in a company that's "one of your competitors" that wants "your specific skills" It feels like nine times out of ten "one of your competitors" means they are also a limited liability company, "your specific skills" means you know what a keyboard is, and "highly competitve salary" is $30k a year. I have a very particular set of skills that I have acquired over a long career which are honed to a very narrow industry. I did have a genuine recruiter after me for a job which used a small subset of those skills, on 20% more than than I currently earn, but it was a second line support position rather than the various roles I play today. I couldn't face the prospect of working in such a confined environment.
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  Internal recruiters are pretty useful. External recruiters are generally pretty bad and will never get you the best rate you can get. Also you'll be able to negotiate more if your client doesn't have to pay 20% of your annual salary to the recruiter as a finder fee.

by pram 4y ago

_fat_santa 4y ago

Personally I never use easy apply or go through websites, I always talk to a recruiter on LinkedIn. Usually I'll get 1-2 messages per week from recruiters about a position, I'll politely decline but tell them I would like to keep in touch. Whenever I go looking for another gig, all those recruiters are hit up. IMO, having a recruiter helps you cut through a ton of BS like filling out job applications, recruiter takes care of all that for you.

Uptrenda 4y ago
My experience with recruiters has always been negative. Do you mean internal recruiters or external ones?
- wollsmoth 4y ago
  Most external recruiters aren't that useful in my experience. Unless they happen to have a client you want to connect with at the time you are looking. Internal recruiters have helped speed me through the process in many cases though, so those are worth connecting with imo.
- autarch 4y ago
  I was recently looking for a new position and I found internal recruiters were quite useful. My experience with external recruiters was mixed, though at least a couple did get me interviews at places that seemed decent.
boppo1 4y ago
How do you go looking for recruiters?
- klodolph 4y ago
  Recruiters for tech position generate leads from various sources like Linked In, GitHub, Stack Overflow, etc. If you're in a software engineering position, it's common for recruiters to contact you. If you don't want to switch jobs right now, just reply to the recruiters that contact you and say "I'm happy with my current position." or something similar--short, to the point, professional, not dismissive. The recruiter will keep your email in the system and follow up later. (Sometimes they'll follow up immediately, you can safely ignore immediate followups without explanation.) You can also follow up later and say that you're now interested. You should also know the difference between internal and external recruiters. Internal recruiters tend to be easier to work with just because their incentives are more likely to be aligned with the company that they are hiring with--so if you have some recruiter emails saved in your inbox, start by contacting internal recruiters for companies that you would consider working for.
- IshKebab 4y ago
  Just make a LinkedIn profile and you'll start getting job adverts from recruiters. Not always relevant but they often are.
- xeromal 4y ago
  I just save ones that write reasonable emails to me. You can definitely get a feel if they're worth your time or not depending on how they phrase their email to you.
- rnk 4y ago
  You could just put "open to opportunities" on your linked in. I always wondered if that would hurt at my last job, now I just leave it on all the time.
  - wyclif 4y ago
    This is what I do. I leave it on all the time, which signals to recruiters that I'm at least willing to hear them out.
theonething 4y ago
Man, I ignore all the recruiters that contact me. It's just too many. Not humble bragging, it's just the reality. And not trying to rude. I have trouble keeping up with my personal emails, much less random recruiters on the internet. I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. So far in my career (10+ years), I've just applied to company job postings and that's worked out pretty well for me.
- kypro 4y ago
  Recruiters probably won't hold a grudge against you if you're a highly skilled engineer that they know they can place easily. Fortunately for us there's just not enough skilled engineers for recruiters to be too picky. That said, I personally try to keep good relationships with recruiters because as a contractor because it can be useful when looking for my next job. If you're a junior dev or working in a highly competitive industry though I would be much more careful not to upset recruiters too much. Not that you won't be able to get work, but you'll be making things considerably harder for yourself. Recruiters don't expect you to reply to their emails btw - unless you're interested in the role they're recruiting for of course. I think it's polite to answer the phone if they call though. Normally it takes about 30 seconds to tell them you're not on the market, but will but will be in touch when you are. I think a lot of people can be quite rude to recruiters and they seem to appreciate the fact I'm polite to them and happy to have a quick chat.
  - iso1631 4y ago
    The worst is a recruiter promising a "highly competitive salary" in a company that's "one of your competitors" that wants "your specific skills" It feels like nine times out of ten "one of your competitors" means they are also a limited liability company, "your specific skills" means you know what a keyboard is, and "highly competitve salary" is $30k a year. I have a very particular set of skills that I have acquired over a long career which are honed to a very narrow industry. I did have a genuine recruiter after me for a job which used a small subset of those skills, on 20% more than than I currently earn, but it was a second line support position rather than the various roles I play today. I couldn't face the prospect of working in such a confined environment.
jokethrowaway 4y ago
Internal recruiters are pretty useful. External recruiters are generally pretty bad and will never get you the best rate you can get. Also you'll be able to negotiate more if your client doesn't have to pay 20% of your annual salary to the recruiter as a finder fee.