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Because that would be communism or something.

Jhjjjjjjjj 4y ago
Or because large companies routinely shut union factories because it's unprofitable?
drstewart 4y ago
Good one. Now explain why unionized European programmers don't get paid nearly the same as un-unionized American ones. Is it because of fascism or something?
- phabricator 4y ago
  Base salary or total compensation? Do you have any data or reason to believe "unionized European programmers don't get paid nearly the same as un-unionized American ones?"
  - weberer 4y ago
    https://qubit-labs.com/average-software-developer-salaries-salary-comparison-country/ https://qubit-labs.com/average-software-developer-salaries-s...
    - phabricator 4y ago
      That's just a list of average salary by country. Does it show which of these are "UNIONIZED European programmers" and how many are "NON-UNION Americans?" If not, we can dismiss the claim outright.
      - weberer 4y ago
        >If not, we can dismiss the claim outright All you can say at that point is "I'm too lazy to confirm or disprove it". If you want to disprove his statement for real, you're going to have to put in some effort looking things up.
        phabricator 4y ago
        Nothing has been proved, it would be impossible to disprove. Stated without evidence, dismissed without it.
- naavis 4y ago
  Because cost of living is different?
- TotempaaltJ 4y ago
  I don't think European programmers are unionized? I'm in the Netherlands, and while there are some small upstart unions for software engineers, there has been no collective bargaining action (certainly not at any significant scale). I'd be happy to be disproven (go unions!), but I haven't heard of other countries that have unionized programmers.
  - weberer 4y ago
    Here's Finland's union for programmers (and other STEM jobs) https://www.tek.fi/en/about-tek https://www.tek.fi/en/about-tek
- dunefox 4y ago
  1. There aren't many countries with unions for programmers. 2. Programmers earn less in general in Europe, so that proves nothing. 3. Companies pay differently in different european countries and we pay more taxes and less in healthcare costs, etc.

Or because large companies routinely shut union factories because it's unprofitable?

Good one. Now explain why unionized European programmers don't get paid nearly the same as un-unionized American ones. Is it because of fascism or something?

phabricator 4y ago
Base salary or total compensation? Do you have any data or reason to believe "unionized European programmers don't get paid nearly the same as un-unionized American ones?"
- weberer 4y ago
  https://qubit-labs.com/average-software-developer-salaries-salary-comparison-country/ https://qubit-labs.com/average-software-developer-salaries-s...
  - phabricator 4y ago
    That's just a list of average salary by country. Does it show which of these are "UNIONIZED European programmers" and how many are "NON-UNION Americans?" If not, we can dismiss the claim outright.
    - weberer 4y ago
      >If not, we can dismiss the claim outright All you can say at that point is "I'm too lazy to confirm or disprove it". If you want to disprove his statement for real, you're going to have to put in some effort looking things up.
      - phabricator 4y ago
        Nothing has been proved, it would be impossible to disprove. Stated without evidence, dismissed without it.
naavis 4y ago
Because cost of living is different?
TotempaaltJ 4y ago
I don't think European programmers are unionized? I'm in the Netherlands, and while there are some small upstart unions for software engineers, there has been no collective bargaining action (certainly not at any significant scale). I'd be happy to be disproven (go unions!), but I haven't heard of other countries that have unionized programmers.
- weberer 4y ago
  Here's Finland's union for programmers (and other STEM jobs) https://www.tek.fi/en/about-tek https://www.tek.fi/en/about-tek
dunefox 4y ago
1. There aren't many countries with unions for programmers. 2. Programmers earn less in general in Europe, so that proves nothing. 3. Companies pay differently in different european countries and we pay more taxes and less in healthcare costs, etc.