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Any health-related downsides?

by Varqu 4y ago

genghizkhan 4y ago
Not enough fibre.
- baisq 4y ago
  If you do keto, you are allowed to eat many vegetables that are rich in fibre. But if you follow a meat-only diet will make it really difficult to poop. I wonder how carnivorous animals do it. Are they constipated all the time?
  - ddorian43 4y ago
    > But if you follow a meat-only diet will make it really difficult to poop. I wonder how carnivorous animals do it. Are they constipated all the time? Easiest poop was when I was carnivore(you poop very little amount). Being constipated means you didn't get enough fat. Having diarrhea means you got too much fat that your body couldn't absorb fast enough. At start of carnivore you'll probably have diarrhea since your body/colon isn't yet used to so much fat/meat. But then you get get used to it (1-4 week).
  - vrc 4y ago
    I believe their stomach acids are far stronger, their bowels are a faster path to exit, and they often eat adjuncts which I assume help move things along. Here’s a brief explanation from a member of Cornell faculty: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2004-10/1096814276.Zo.r.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2004-10/1096814276.Zo.r...
- thelittleone 4y ago
  That's true. When I've had a lot of meat, I take a tablespoon of psyllium husk in a cup of water.
doikor 4y ago
Red meat consumption has been linked to colon cancers in some studies. I guess you could always limit yourself to chicken etc.
tpush 4y ago
If the diet is high in (processed) red meat: higher cancer risk. If the diet is (too) high in saturated fat, increased cardio vascular risk.
- bpizzi 4y ago
  > If the diet is (too) high in saturated fat, increased cardio vascular risk. You may want to take a look at this meta-study [0]. > “A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.” [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20071648/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20071648/
  - tpush 4y ago
    The authors of that meta-analysis adjusted for serum cholesterol, which defeats the entire point. Saturated fat intake above a certain threshold is associated with CVD because it causes an uptake in serum cholesterol, eventually leading to atherosclerosis. Saying saturated fat intake doesn't correlate with CVD when ignoring serum cholesterol is entirely uninteresting, and not what anyone's claiming. See also this[0] comment on that flawed meta-analysis. [0] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/2/458/4597393 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/2/458/4597393
    - bpizzi 4y ago
      Meta-analyses are not a panacea, that's clear. As I suspect you know well, two further meta-analysis came to the same conclusion: Chowdhury 2014 [0], De Souza 2015 [1]. More recently, Kang in 2018 [2] and Zhu in 2019 are also stating that they fail to find evidence of a clear association between SFA consumption and risk of CVD. Obviously, as science is what it is (and that's a good thing), those study are debatable and do have weak spots. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24723079/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24723079/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26268692/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26268692/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31791641/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31791641/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30954077/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30954077/
rawgabbit 4y ago
It may result in Gout. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4755-gout https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4755-gout
- nradov 4y ago
  Gout mainly becomes an issue when high consumption of animal products is combined with high consumption of sugar (especially fructose). https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson/ https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson/

Any health-related downsides?

by Varqu 4y ago

Any health-related downsides?

genghizkhan 4y ago

Not enough fibre.

baisq 4y ago
If you do keto, you are allowed to eat many vegetables that are rich in fibre. But if you follow a meat-only diet will make it really difficult to poop. I wonder how carnivorous animals do it. Are they constipated all the time?
- ddorian43 4y ago
  > But if you follow a meat-only diet will make it really difficult to poop. I wonder how carnivorous animals do it. Are they constipated all the time? Easiest poop was when I was carnivore(you poop very little amount). Being constipated means you didn't get enough fat. Having diarrhea means you got too much fat that your body couldn't absorb fast enough. At start of carnivore you'll probably have diarrhea since your body/colon isn't yet used to so much fat/meat. But then you get get used to it (1-4 week).
- vrc 4y ago
  I believe their stomach acids are far stronger, their bowels are a faster path to exit, and they often eat adjuncts which I assume help move things along. Here’s a brief explanation from a member of Cornell faculty: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2004-10/1096814276.Zo.r.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2004-10/1096814276.Zo.r...
thelittleone 4y ago
That's true. When I've had a lot of meat, I take a tablespoon of psyllium husk in a cup of water.

doikor 4y ago

Red meat consumption has been linked to colon cancers in some studies. I guess you could always limit yourself to chicken etc.

tpush 4y ago

If the diet is high in (processed) red meat: higher cancer risk. If the diet is (too) high in saturated fat, increased cardio vascular risk.

bpizzi 4y ago
> If the diet is (too) high in saturated fat, increased cardio vascular risk. You may want to take a look at this meta-study [0]. > “A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.” [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20071648/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20071648/
- tpush 4y ago
  The authors of that meta-analysis adjusted for serum cholesterol, which defeats the entire point. Saturated fat intake above a certain threshold is associated with CVD because it causes an uptake in serum cholesterol, eventually leading to atherosclerosis. Saying saturated fat intake doesn't correlate with CVD when ignoring serum cholesterol is entirely uninteresting, and not what anyone's claiming. See also this[0] comment on that flawed meta-analysis. [0] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/2/458/4597393 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/2/458/4597393
  - bpizzi 4y ago
    Meta-analyses are not a panacea, that's clear. As I suspect you know well, two further meta-analysis came to the same conclusion: Chowdhury 2014 [0], De Souza 2015 [1]. More recently, Kang in 2018 [2] and Zhu in 2019 are also stating that they fail to find evidence of a clear association between SFA consumption and risk of CVD. Obviously, as science is what it is (and that's a good thing), those study are debatable and do have weak spots. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24723079/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24723079/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26268692/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26268692/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31791641/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31791641/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30954077/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30954077/

rawgabbit 4y ago

It may result in Gout. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4755-gout https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4755-gout

nradov 4y ago
Gout mainly becomes an issue when high consumption of animal products is combined with high consumption of sugar (especially fructose). https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson/ https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson/