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'devops' means I'm going to hire you ostensibly to develop software, but in reality thats just going to be your '10%' time if there aren't any operational fires

• dilyevsky 4y ago
  What percentage that works up to is totally up to you and that’s the whole point
• dijit 4y ago
  “Devops” means build engineering to some Sysadmins who know a bit of python to others Developers who can configure nginx to others. Or a culture; to yet more people. Clearly it doesn’t have meaning if it’s so undefined. FWIW the progenitor of the word defined it as “agile systems administration”: what you’re talking about is the 10+ deploys a day talk from flickr; which doesn’t mention devops at all (despite the conference existing prior).
• Aeolun 4y ago
  If you are hired as DevOps, or if your organisation does DevOps without any dedicated personnel, and all the devs are now DevOps, you are damn right that everyone'd be fighting all the fires first. The idea being that the people building and running the application are incentivized to prevent fires as much as possible. As opposed to completely separate teams, where the devs have zero incentive to prevent fires. Everyone judges them on features/sprint, so optimizing for that is perfectly logical.
  • wizofaus 4y ago
    That's not been my experience at all. Developers absolutely do need to be roped in to help put out fires when the application is misbehaving, and most of us quite assuredly want to keep that to a minimum. And having reliable, smooth and well-regulated DevOps processes is a huge enabler for ensuring robustness and minimizing the chance of bad code getting deployed to production.