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You're being downvoted but even as a progressive liberal I do think that pushing political correctness too hard and too fast has resulted in this conservative b

You're being downvoted but even as a progressive liberal I do think that pushing political correctness too hard and too fast has resulted in this conservative backlash we're now seeing across our country. Change needs to be iterative and sensible. I was amazed at how quickly public sentiment opened up to gay marriage and legal marijuana for example, but now equally dismayed by how quickly the conservative backlash is happening across the country. The social version of agile rather than waterfall development I suppose…

antifa 4y ago
I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050.
- schrodinger 4y ago
  I'm not saying that. Remember I'm saying I'm a super-liberal NYer trying to reconcile how good ppl in the rest of the country can have such different views. First I realize that if you've never met a black/trans/gay/immigrant person, you probably believe the worst of what Fox tells you. So as the progressive movement, we should give the benefit of the doubt to ppl (e.g. don't make a big deal of pronouns; state your pronoun without shame, but also realize that lots of ppl have zero experience w/ non-traditional pronounce so cut them some slack when they slip up). And find common ground. The biggest thing I learned moving from small-town all-white CT where yes, racism was prevalent to NYC was that wow, we're all basically the same. We all want the same basic freedoms and have the same struggles. Don't let politicians divide us and unite as Americans because we're almost all fucking immigrants.
- Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
  Without being snarky, though, what's left to add? What minority is left disenfranchised?
  - antifa 4y ago
    If you can ignore the incompleteness of black/women/LGBT civil rights movements and the current attacks on black/women/LGBT rights, there's a lot that can be done in things like mental illness (both mild and extreme forms), medical debt, disability, poverty traps, veterans, homeless, prisoners.
    - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
      Okay, but you specifically said: >I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050. Can you give me a specific example related to that, as in, name a minority that hasn't yet had their 'civil rights' granted? Because my take on what's going on kinda aligns with the guy above, there's been a mass push for stuff that isn't any kind of accepted by the general populace (and affects fractions of a percent of people) and it's caused a blowback effect when people get sick of having micro-minority issues make daily headline news when their lives are getting measurably worse. If you were talking about extending basic civil rights to groups that were measurably disenfranchised I don't think you'd be seeing the same pushback. Instead we see 'drag queen story hour' repeat x 10. You don't have to be any kind of conservative to realise that drag shows and culture aren't well understood by the mainstream population and that a lot of people are going to get the wrong fucking idea and be annoyed as hell but the left just keep hammering it over and over again, like, it's NOT HELPING YOUR CAUSE. I can see it isn't helping. I can see it's going to create resentment and increase divisiveness. Why can't they see that? Are the walls of their bubble that thick? Do they have that much contempt for the average person?
      - antifa 4y ago
        The proud boys did terrorize children and adults at a drag queen story hour this month. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-the-proud-boys-so-afraid-of-drag-queens-2022-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-the-proud-boys-so-af... Unless you're complaining about far right terrorism or intentionality divisive mainstream media coverage, you've completely lost me.

antifa 4y ago

I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050.

schrodinger 4y ago
I'm not saying that. Remember I'm saying I'm a super-liberal NYer trying to reconcile how good ppl in the rest of the country can have such different views. First I realize that if you've never met a black/trans/gay/immigrant person, you probably believe the worst of what Fox tells you. So as the progressive movement, we should give the benefit of the doubt to ppl (e.g. don't make a big deal of pronouns; state your pronoun without shame, but also realize that lots of ppl have zero experience w/ non-traditional pronounce so cut them some slack when they slip up). And find common ground. The biggest thing I learned moving from small-town all-white CT where yes, racism was prevalent to NYC was that wow, we're all basically the same. We all want the same basic freedoms and have the same struggles. Don't let politicians divide us and unite as Americans because we're almost all fucking immigrants.
Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
Without being snarky, though, what's left to add? What minority is left disenfranchised?
- antifa 4y ago
  If you can ignore the incompleteness of black/women/LGBT civil rights movements and the current attacks on black/women/LGBT rights, there's a lot that can be done in things like mental illness (both mild and extreme forms), medical debt, disability, poverty traps, veterans, homeless, prisoners.
  - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
    Okay, but you specifically said: >I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050. Can you give me a specific example related to that, as in, name a minority that hasn't yet had their 'civil rights' granted? Because my take on what's going on kinda aligns with the guy above, there's been a mass push for stuff that isn't any kind of accepted by the general populace (and affects fractions of a percent of people) and it's caused a blowback effect when people get sick of having micro-minority issues make daily headline news when their lives are getting measurably worse. If you were talking about extending basic civil rights to groups that were measurably disenfranchised I don't think you'd be seeing the same pushback. Instead we see 'drag queen story hour' repeat x 10. You don't have to be any kind of conservative to realise that drag shows and culture aren't well understood by the mainstream population and that a lot of people are going to get the wrong fucking idea and be annoyed as hell but the left just keep hammering it over and over again, like, it's NOT HELPING YOUR CAUSE. I can see it isn't helping. I can see it's going to create resentment and increase divisiveness. Why can't they see that? Are the walls of their bubble that thick? Do they have that much contempt for the average person?
    - antifa 4y ago
      The proud boys did terrorize children and adults at a drag queen story hour this month. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-the-proud-boys-so-afraid-of-drag-queens-2022-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-the-proud-boys-so-af... Unless you're complaining about far right terrorism or intentionality divisive mainstream media coverage, you've completely lost me.