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I am sorry for so many comments showing a lack of empathy, basically saying, "what do you expect and do better!". I think you are raising real concerns, these l

I am sorry for so many comments showing a lack of empathy, basically saying, "what do you expect and do better!". I think you are raising real concerns, these language models will get more and more sophisticated and will basically turn into all knowing oracles. Not just in who you are but what it thinks would be effective in manipulating you.

remram 4y ago
More so than search engines?
- sitkack 4y ago
  All the search engines are moving towards language models. I think language models are on a similar trajectory as sequencing the genome. The first sequences were massive undertakings, 15M USD in 2006, 100 USD now. https://huggingface.co/blog/large-language-models https://huggingface.co/blog/large-language-models On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922 "Imagine you are remram and are looking to buy insurance, what are three things that could convince you to purchase ...." You can take the generic "trained on the world" language model and filter it down to the language model of remram. GPT-4Chan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM
lolinder 4y ago
I don't think this is a reasonable fear. It's reasonable to be on guard for some sensitive memorization, but it's not reasonable to fear that a language model will be able to reliably produce information on any given individual. For every person with enough of an online presence to have actually been memorized by GPT-3 or its successors, there are many more that GPT-3 will just produce good-looking nonsense for. It's not possible to distinguish between the two, so creepy surveillance capitalist firms will do better by developing their own specialized models (as they're already doing).
bufferoverflow 4y ago
You have no expectation of privacy while being in public. Supreme Court ruled, that anything that a person knowingly exposes to the public, regardless of location, is not protected by the Fourth Amendment. Same idea works for information. If you expose private information publicly online, it's unreasonable to expect it to remain private. By creating this post he insured even less privacy. He attracted even more attention, guaranteeing his public "secret" is widely known.
- sitkack 4y ago
  The OP is raising a question, it isn't specifically about the OP. You have only repeated my original statement, nor addressed the question raised. Not participating in the discourse while saying "... no expectation of privacy" is the exact lack of empathy I am talking about.
  - bufferoverflow 4y ago
    Empathy for what exactly? OP posting his real name all over the internet, next to his username and his email, in his CV, and then complaining that people (and AI) can easily find it?
- lucb1e 4y ago
  ...the supreme court of which country? I don't know but from one of OP's previous comments they sound to be from western/central Europe (which in itself is like a dozen possible countries). The norms and values they might have, might not be reflected by your "supreme" court. I also don't think this is purely about legality as much as about how we, as a society globally communicating via the internet, want these things to work.
- BeFlatXIII 4y ago
  Don't act like that ruling wasn't an obvious blunder.

remram 4y ago

More so than search engines?

sitkack 4y ago
All the search engines are moving towards language models. I think language models are on a similar trajectory as sequencing the genome. The first sequences were massive undertakings, 15M USD in 2006, 100 USD now. https://huggingface.co/blog/large-language-models https://huggingface.co/blog/large-language-models On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922 "Imagine you are remram and are looking to buy insurance, what are three things that could convince you to purchase ...." You can take the generic "trained on the world" language model and filter it down to the language model of remram. GPT-4Chan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM

lolinder 4y ago

I don't think this is a reasonable fear. It's reasonable to be on guard for some sensitive memorization, but it's not reasonable to fear that a language model will be able to reliably produce information on any given individual. For every person with enough of an online presence to have actually been memorized by GPT-3 or its successors, there are many more that GPT-3 will just produce good-looking nonsense for. It's not possible to distinguish between the two, so creepy surveillance capitalist firms will do better by developing their own specialized models (as they're already doing).

bufferoverflow 4y ago

You have no expectation of privacy while being in public. Supreme Court ruled, that anything that a person knowingly exposes to the public, regardless of location, is not protected by the Fourth Amendment. Same idea works for information. If you expose private information publicly online, it's unreasonable to expect it to remain private. By creating this post he insured even less privacy. He attracted even more attention, guaranteeing his public "secret" is widely known.

sitkack 4y ago
The OP is raising a question, it isn't specifically about the OP. You have only repeated my original statement, nor addressed the question raised. Not participating in the discourse while saying "... no expectation of privacy" is the exact lack of empathy I am talking about.
- bufferoverflow 4y ago
  Empathy for what exactly? OP posting his real name all over the internet, next to his username and his email, in his CV, and then complaining that people (and AI) can easily find it?
lucb1e 4y ago
...the supreme court of which country? I don't know but from one of OP's previous comments they sound to be from western/central Europe (which in itself is like a dozen possible countries). The norms and values they might have, might not be reflected by your "supreme" court. I also don't think this is purely about legality as much as about how we, as a society globally communicating via the internet, want these things to work.
BeFlatXIII 4y ago
Don't act like that ruling wasn't an obvious blunder.