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Yeah, that’s a lie. Try having what used to be the standard opinion about a certain topic less than 10 years ago and expect to be banned. Not just by moderator

Yeah, that’s a lie. Try having what used to be the standard opinion about a certain topic less than 10 years ago and expect to be banned. Not just by moderators but by admins.

Angostura 4y ago
Give an example - you can do that here.
- himinlomax 4y ago
  One word: transgender. Any light criticism or joke results in a subreddit and site wide ban.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    100% accurate, they purged all the feminist subreddits that aligned with JK Rowling a couple years back. Ironically you are now hard-pressed to find a moderator on r/TwoXChromosomes who actually has two X chromosomes. https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCynical/comments/hovdsi/just_about_every_remaining_terf_sub_has_been/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCynical/comments/hovdsi/just_...
    - richbell 4y ago
      > Ironically you are now hard-pressed to find a moderator on r/TwoXChromosomes who actually has two X chromosomes. Pointing this out would get you banned from Reddit extremely quickly. Not a criticism, just an observation.
  - multjoy 4y ago
    Do you have any specific examples of the 'light criticism' or joke (including where it was posted) that directly caused the site-wide ban?
    - himinlomax 4y ago
      I don't, because it's immediately scrubbed. But I've seen it happen ine real time.
      - multjoy 4y ago
        Very convenient.
        himinlomax 4y ago
        What do you expect me to do? Hack reddit's Postgres databases to recover deleted comments?
        multjoy 4y ago
        Offer up something more than a vague "I saw this thing one time, trust me on this"?
        Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
        I saw this thing many times. Trust me on this.
        mgdlbp 4y ago
        There are several tools for viewing them, primarily based on Pushshift, an apparently individual-run database that grabs whatever it can from the Reddit API, usually within a few minutes. The frontends come and go; currently the major ones are unddit.com and reveddit.com (which honours user deletions, refusing to show them). There are also Pushshift-based sitewide search engines: redditsearch.io is made by the Pushshift creator but doesn't show deleted content. ihsoyct.github.io does, but is unreliable, often randomly missing some comments and posts in any one run of a query. With the amount of constructive comments/posts removed for seemingly no reason nowadays, and the blight of users overwriting and/or deleting helpful, otherwise anonymous comments when making privacy purges, I find it now more pleasant to browse with all deleted content shown than without.
  - paganel 4y ago
    There is an entire and big-ish sub (I forgot its name) which basically just bans anything that mentions the word "trans", doesn't matter if it's a positive mention or a negative one, just straight up ban. It's not that they are pro or against the trans issue (they're an "edgy" sub, that I do remember), it's just that the mods don't want their sub getting nuked by the admins and, as such, staying as far as possible from that trans subject is the best course of action.
    - Beltalowda 4y ago
      I would do the same. Not because of fear of reddit, but because I have rarely seen a debate on trans issues not devolve into a hurricane of piss and then the janitors/mods will have to mop up the mess. I got better things to do.
    - professoretc 4y ago
      moderatepolitics does this, not because they want to, but because Reddit threatened to ban the entire subreddit if there was any discussion of trans issues.
  - JetSetWilly 4y ago
    Meanwhile on late stage capitalism they stickied a post with home addresses of judges, encouraging people to arm themselves and generally being hysterical. And that’s OK because woke.
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    Yup, just look at the recent r/tumblrinaction and r/socialjusticeinaction bans. The reason given for the bans were "promoting hate"
  - schrodinger 4y ago
    You're being downvoted but even as a progressive liberal I do think that pushing political correctness too hard and too fast has resulted in this conservative backlash we're now seeing across our country. Change needs to be iterative and sensible. I was amazed at how quickly public sentiment opened up to gay marriage and legal marijuana for example, but now equally dismayed by how quickly the conservative backlash is happening across the country. The social version of agile rather than waterfall development I suppose…
    - antifa 4y ago
      I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050.
      - schrodinger 4y ago
        I'm not saying that. Remember I'm saying I'm a super-liberal NYer trying to reconcile how good ppl in the rest of the country can have such different views. First I realize that if you've never met a black/trans/gay/immigrant person, you probably believe the worst of what Fox tells you. So as the progressive movement, we should give the benefit of the doubt to ppl (e.g. don't make a big deal of pronouns; state your pronoun without shame, but also realize that lots of ppl have zero experience w/ non-traditional pronounce so cut them some slack when they slip up). And find common ground. The biggest thing I learned moving from small-town all-white CT where yes, racism was prevalent to NYC was that wow, we're all basically the same. We all want the same basic freedoms and have the same struggles. Don't let politicians divide us and unite as Americans because we're almost all fucking immigrants.
      - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
        Without being snarky, though, what's left to add? What minority is left disenfranchised?
        antifa 4y ago
        If you can ignore the incompleteness of black/women/LGBT civil rights movements and the current attacks on black/women/LGBT rights, there's a lot that can be done in things like mental illness (both mild and extreme forms), medical debt, disability, poverty traps, veterans, homeless, prisoners.
  - lmc 4y ago
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    - coffeeblack 4y ago
- Noumenon72 4y ago
  How about the sticky on the /r/atheism Roe thread?[1] The moderation team states that "there is no non-bigoted way of advocating" against abortion, that any argument you have "has already been addressed and thoroughly refuted", and that speaking up "will result in an immediate, permanent ban." The mods are absolutely opposed to freedom of expression. Nobody was shutting down discourse like this when I was growing up. 1: https://old.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vjpvsa/in_honor_of_todays_supreme_court_ruling_i_just/idl4okq/ https://old.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vjpvsa/in_honor_of...
  - matthewdgreen 4y ago
    The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. There are plenty of subreddits where you can express your views, should they happen to fall on the opposing side of the issue. The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. And it’s (unfortunately) a thing that happens when your space is open to the entire global Internet.
    - rhaksw 4y ago
      > The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. That's fine, but Reddit shows users their removed comments as if they're not removed [1]. Users don't have a chance to migrate to another group or platform if they don't know they're being censored. > The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. I would agree with you if the platform were upfront with users about what gets removed. Unfortunately at this point it isn't. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky
    - Banana699 4y ago
      Whenever I hear the word "Private" I immediately check my gun. There is nothing 'private' about reddit moderation, especially on a large sub like atheism (if i remember correctly, I haven't visited that cesspool since 2019). Power mods control tens of subs and cross-enforce their delusions and purity tests across them all, and reddit admins are obviously, pathetically, in league with them, always with the asymmetric tolerance and double standards. ("oh, they say 'kill all men' on female dating strategy? That's just their freedom of speech sweety. Now please remove your anti feminism post, it's harmful and ban worthy, fReEDoM oF SpEEcH dOESn'T MeAn FreeDOm FroM ConSeQuEnCEs.") You have to stop looking at it from the ridiculous and childish private\public perspective and start looking at it in terms of right to exit and availability of alternatives. If a small, 1000 km^2, irrelevant country bans something, that's not a big problem because the residents can easily move out or otherwise subvert the ban. If a giant corporation with monopolistic control of its niche bans a thing and treats certain users unfairly, that's a much more serious violation of free speech. It's all about how easily you can get alternatives, once you reach a certain usage/alternatives ratio, you don't have the right to be "Private", you must be forced to be fair. The public\private thing is a sort of "Stories for Children" heuristic that used to approximate the truer underlying dynamics somewhat decently, before bad faith authoritarian fan boys milked it into oblivion with cliché "Just build your own X bro" mindless slogans. The original idea being that 'public' things are usually things like states, courts, police forces and other societal structures that are usually very difficult to exit or be free of. While 'private' things are (the cliché example goes) things like gas stations or coffee shops, things you can easily exit and replace. The heuristic obviously breaks down whenever the private entity in question is $GIANT inc.
- jrnichols 4y ago
  I had comments removed, temp suspensions, and then a permanent suspension in one of the main covid related subs because I wasn’t agreeing with the hive mind around the effectiveness of “face coverings.” Not only was my main account suspended, they banned my 2 alt accounts as well as my wife’s account. Any account that logged in from my home IP was permanently suspended without recourse. All because I said “i don’t think masks are as effective as you guys do” in a covid sub.
XorNot 4y ago
If you won't write it out directly here, then its not surprising it's banned there.

Yeah, that’s a lie. Try having what used to be the standard opinion about a certain topic less than 10 years ago and expect to be banned. Not just by moderators but by admins.

Angostura 4y ago

Give an example - you can do that here.

himinlomax 4y ago
One word: transgender. Any light criticism or joke results in a subreddit and site wide ban.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  100% accurate, they purged all the feminist subreddits that aligned with JK Rowling a couple years back. Ironically you are now hard-pressed to find a moderator on r/TwoXChromosomes who actually has two X chromosomes. https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCynical/comments/hovdsi/just_about_every_remaining_terf_sub_has_been/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCynical/comments/hovdsi/just_...
  - richbell 4y ago
    > Ironically you are now hard-pressed to find a moderator on r/TwoXChromosomes who actually has two X chromosomes. Pointing this out would get you banned from Reddit extremely quickly. Not a criticism, just an observation.
- multjoy 4y ago
  Do you have any specific examples of the 'light criticism' or joke (including where it was posted) that directly caused the site-wide ban?
  - himinlomax 4y ago
    I don't, because it's immediately scrubbed. But I've seen it happen ine real time.
    - multjoy 4y ago
      Very convenient.
      - himinlomax 4y ago
        What do you expect me to do? Hack reddit's Postgres databases to recover deleted comments?
        multjoy 4y ago
        Offer up something more than a vague "I saw this thing one time, trust me on this"?
        Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
        I saw this thing many times. Trust me on this.
        mgdlbp 4y ago
        There are several tools for viewing them, primarily based on Pushshift, an apparently individual-run database that grabs whatever it can from the Reddit API, usually within a few minutes. The frontends come and go; currently the major ones are unddit.com and reveddit.com (which honours user deletions, refusing to show them). There are also Pushshift-based sitewide search engines: redditsearch.io is made by the Pushshift creator but doesn't show deleted content. ihsoyct.github.io does, but is unreliable, often randomly missing some comments and posts in any one run of a query. With the amount of constructive comments/posts removed for seemingly no reason nowadays, and the blight of users overwriting and/or deleting helpful, otherwise anonymous comments when making privacy purges, I find it now more pleasant to browse with all deleted content shown than without.
- paganel 4y ago
  There is an entire and big-ish sub (I forgot its name) which basically just bans anything that mentions the word "trans", doesn't matter if it's a positive mention or a negative one, just straight up ban. It's not that they are pro or against the trans issue (they're an "edgy" sub, that I do remember), it's just that the mods don't want their sub getting nuked by the admins and, as such, staying as far as possible from that trans subject is the best course of action.
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    I would do the same. Not because of fear of reddit, but because I have rarely seen a debate on trans issues not devolve into a hurricane of piss and then the janitors/mods will have to mop up the mess. I got better things to do.
  - professoretc 4y ago
    moderatepolitics does this, not because they want to, but because Reddit threatened to ban the entire subreddit if there was any discussion of trans issues.
- JetSetWilly 4y ago
  Meanwhile on late stage capitalism they stickied a post with home addresses of judges, encouraging people to arm themselves and generally being hysterical. And that’s OK because woke.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  Yup, just look at the recent r/tumblrinaction and r/socialjusticeinaction bans. The reason given for the bans were "promoting hate"
- schrodinger 4y ago
  You're being downvoted but even as a progressive liberal I do think that pushing political correctness too hard and too fast has resulted in this conservative backlash we're now seeing across our country. Change needs to be iterative and sensible. I was amazed at how quickly public sentiment opened up to gay marriage and legal marijuana for example, but now equally dismayed by how quickly the conservative backlash is happening across the country. The social version of agile rather than waterfall development I suppose…
  - antifa 4y ago
    I'd hate to be the one to have to tell the minority picked last that their civil rights isn't scheduled until 2050.
    - schrodinger 4y ago
      I'm not saying that. Remember I'm saying I'm a super-liberal NYer trying to reconcile how good ppl in the rest of the country can have such different views. First I realize that if you've never met a black/trans/gay/immigrant person, you probably believe the worst of what Fox tells you. So as the progressive movement, we should give the benefit of the doubt to ppl (e.g. don't make a big deal of pronouns; state your pronoun without shame, but also realize that lots of ppl have zero experience w/ non-traditional pronounce so cut them some slack when they slip up). And find common ground. The biggest thing I learned moving from small-town all-white CT where yes, racism was prevalent to NYC was that wow, we're all basically the same. We all want the same basic freedoms and have the same struggles. Don't let politicians divide us and unite as Americans because we're almost all fucking immigrants.
    - Dan_Sylveste 4y ago
      Without being snarky, though, what's left to add? What minority is left disenfranchised?
      - antifa 4y ago
        If you can ignore the incompleteness of black/women/LGBT civil rights movements and the current attacks on black/women/LGBT rights, there's a lot that can be done in things like mental illness (both mild and extreme forms), medical debt, disability, poverty traps, veterans, homeless, prisoners.
- lmc 4y ago
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - coffeeblack 4y ago
Noumenon72 4y ago
How about the sticky on the /r/atheism Roe thread?[1] The moderation team states that "there is no non-bigoted way of advocating" against abortion, that any argument you have "has already been addressed and thoroughly refuted", and that speaking up "will result in an immediate, permanent ban." The mods are absolutely opposed to freedom of expression. Nobody was shutting down discourse like this when I was growing up. 1: https://old.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vjpvsa/in_honor_of_todays_supreme_court_ruling_i_just/idl4okq/ https://old.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vjpvsa/in_honor_of...
- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. There are plenty of subreddits where you can express your views, should they happen to fall on the opposing side of the issue. The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. And it’s (unfortunately) a thing that happens when your space is open to the entire global Internet.
  - rhaksw 4y ago
    > The Internet has always been full of private fora where people limit the range of discussion. That's fine, but Reddit shows users their removed comments as if they're not removed [1]. Users don't have a chance to migrate to another group or platform if they don't know they're being censored. > The freedom to have discussions on topics you want in restricted spaces is not censorship, folks. I would agree with you if the platform were upfront with users about what gets removed. Unfortunately at this point it isn't. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/about/sticky
  - Banana699 4y ago
    Whenever I hear the word "Private" I immediately check my gun. There is nothing 'private' about reddit moderation, especially on a large sub like atheism (if i remember correctly, I haven't visited that cesspool since 2019). Power mods control tens of subs and cross-enforce their delusions and purity tests across them all, and reddit admins are obviously, pathetically, in league with them, always with the asymmetric tolerance and double standards. ("oh, they say 'kill all men' on female dating strategy? That's just their freedom of speech sweety. Now please remove your anti feminism post, it's harmful and ban worthy, fReEDoM oF SpEEcH dOESn'T MeAn FreeDOm FroM ConSeQuEnCEs.") You have to stop looking at it from the ridiculous and childish private\public perspective and start looking at it in terms of right to exit and availability of alternatives. If a small, 1000 km^2, irrelevant country bans something, that's not a big problem because the residents can easily move out or otherwise subvert the ban. If a giant corporation with monopolistic control of its niche bans a thing and treats certain users unfairly, that's a much more serious violation of free speech. It's all about how easily you can get alternatives, once you reach a certain usage/alternatives ratio, you don't have the right to be "Private", you must be forced to be fair. The public\private thing is a sort of "Stories for Children" heuristic that used to approximate the truer underlying dynamics somewhat decently, before bad faith authoritarian fan boys milked it into oblivion with cliché "Just build your own X bro" mindless slogans. The original idea being that 'public' things are usually things like states, courts, police forces and other societal structures that are usually very difficult to exit or be free of. While 'private' things are (the cliché example goes) things like gas stations or coffee shops, things you can easily exit and replace. The heuristic obviously breaks down whenever the private entity in question is $GIANT inc.
jrnichols 4y ago
I had comments removed, temp suspensions, and then a permanent suspension in one of the main covid related subs because I wasn’t agreeing with the hive mind around the effectiveness of “face coverings.” Not only was my main account suspended, they banned my 2 alt accounts as well as my wife’s account. Any account that logged in from my home IP was permanently suspended without recourse. All because I said “i don’t think masks are as effective as you guys do” in a covid sub.

XorNot 4y ago

If you won't write it out directly here, then its not surprising it's banned there.