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Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements).
by swighton 4y ago
Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements).
https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4
One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.
- robmccoll 4y agoYeah I immediately thought of your work when I saw this. The key insight is the same, even if the implementation is different. Everything you do is fascinating by the way!
- harrisi 4y agoThe interaction of engineering and "use" by the Lock Picking Lawyer (https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ) was fascinating - "use" here really meaning "exploiting". It's a problem many here are aware of, either by over-engineering things intended for use by non-engineers, or designing things to be used by customers when the designer isn't intimately familiar with the use. In this case it was sort of somewhere in between. I'm currently an operator of heavy machinery in a factory making tools for the wafer industry, although my main career is in software development. I'm actively working with the tools and software used to get a better understanding of the disconnect between engineering and operations. It's been a great way to consider how to improve tools in ways that aren't just "better" from a software/engineering standpoint. Also, holy cow. I've watched all of your videos multiple times. You are truly an inspiration. Thank you, and apologies for the fanboying.
- franciscop 4y agoDef want to see Enclave's under Lock Picking Lawyer! If you make a "unpickable lock" you'd def want to send it to LPL, that's like the ultimate proof of how easy/hard it is to pick. The fact that there's no video, with how approachable LPL is and accepts random locks in his PO box, can only be seen as a red flag. Do it in the open, like Stuff Made Here!
- nielsbot 4y agoI think it's just too soon?
- trompetenaccoun 4y agoDidn't know HN had so many lock experts and lawyers frequenting the site. Dozens of comments have already detected an IP violation, half the thread is recommending ways the lock can be tested or people it needs to be sent to for confirmation of the unpickable claim... As someone who doesn't know anything about lockpicking, I feel like part of a weird minority here. What do I know but I'd assumed one would take it to a convention or competition where the best lockpickers in the world meet, not a youtuber. Something like this: https://www.wired.com/2014/12/international-competition-master-lock-pickers-battle https://www.wired.com/2014/12/international-competition-mast...
- wruza 4y agoWhat’s wrong with taking it to a youtuber?
- orthoxerox 4y agoThat youtuber has won his fair share of locksport competitions.
- trompetenaccoun 4y agoSure. Not saying he's bad at lockpicking. The point is more are you an expert yourself or how do you know he's THE guy to talk to? For reference, what are the main lock picking competitions in the world and which ones has he won? Can you name them? When I looked it up out of interest, he isn't mentioned as the world expert in actual lockpicking forums. I found a couple of other names but in any way, it makes more sense to have it tested by a group of experts than just a single person. One person may fail, but if an entire convention full of the best lockpickers can't pick your lock, that's a much better indication the lock really is unpickable.
- mypalmike 4y ago
- cvccvroomvroom 4y agoI can't be bothered to use YT anymore with all the ads. They're basically interactive, on-demand, corporate TV monetizing other people's content and nothing more. The world needs a co-op video sharing app and a microblogging app.
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- chiph 4y agoHaving a PiHole on your network makes it tolerable. But doesn't fix their broken recommendation system.
- msandford 4y agoHow so? I have a pihole and the requisite config on my ddwrt router but still get plenty of yt ads.
- Caboose8685 4y agoPihole can't deal with YT ads because they're served from YT domains.
- dubswithus 4y agoI use Brave to block the ads. Also, Brave has the playlist feature on iOS which is quite nice.
- Caboose8685 4y agoUsing privacy front-ends makes the experience much more tolerable and completely eliminates ads. Then you can directly support your favorite creators via patreon, etc. There's invidious [0] and piped [1], with the major differentiator being that invidious doesn't require JS and piped having sponsorblock built in. [0] https://invidious.io/ https://invidious.io/ [1] https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped
- pwg 4y ago
- LilBytes 4y agoI didn't know you were here on HN, though it makes absolute sense you would be. Amazing content, your shows are some of the best YT has to offer.
- thrdbndndn 4y agoSame. One of my fav content creator on YTB. His shop is also any ME major's wet dream (and he totally earned it!).
- beckingz 4y agoWhile I cannot comment on your lock video, your chainsaw CNC video has inspired me to never use a chainsaw again. Good stuff.
- nynx 4y agoIt’s so cool that you’re on HN! I’m a huge fan of your work and it helped me feel comfortable with aiming to be a generalist.
- matthewfcarlson 4y agoAgreed. I’m a firmware engineer and a writer for Hackaday and the Stuff Made Here videos are throughly enjoyed by both crowds.
- ramraj07 4y agoYou absolutely should sue them with prior art or something if they patent it. You had an amazing fairly well distributed YouTube video with this design anyway.
- femto 4y agoAnyone here can submit prior art during the patenting process. No suing or courts involved. You only have to care enough to make the submission. Interestingly, videos don't seem to count? It must be a written description? https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2206.html https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2206.html
- dvdkhlng 4y ago> Interestingly, videos don't seem to count? It must be a written description? Wondering the same myself. Googeling for this issue turns up this power-point [1] which seems to imply on page 6 that "electronic publications, on-line databases, websites, or Internet publications" are also considered as "printed documents". But this is just a power-point so who knows which standard gets applied in practice. I get the impression that the "printed document" language got written before digital documents and the internet were a thing. I am not a laywer, don't know a thing about the topic, this is not legal advice etc. [1] https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/May%20Info%20Chat%20slides%20%28003%29.pdf https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/May%20In...
- femto 4y agoThe power point says "Public Use or On Sale" counts. That could be interesting, given that the lock was given to a member of the public, the Lock Picking Lawyer, for a public picking. A convenient case of having a lawyer when you need one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy1FBdCRbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy1FBdCRbQ
- renlo 4y agoDo subtitles count?
- pilaf 4y agoAlthough I've seen pretty much all of your videos, I'm ashamed to say I couldn't remember your name, so I googled "Andrew Magill" expecting your face to pop up.
- rocqua 4y agoYour videos were my first thought uppon reading this article. Even the formulation of 'seperating input from testing' matches your video.
- nicbou 4y agoI didn't expect to see you here! You are undoubtedly an inspiration, at least to me. I love your content. It makes me want to build stuff!
- exabrial 4y agoI actually thought this _was_ you under a different name.
- grecy 4y agoI watched your YT grow from just a few thousand to what it is now, and I've seen every video. You are a HUGE inspiration to me, slowly growing past 55,000 subs. Thanks for the amazing videos and inspiration!!
- loganc2342 4y agoI’d say you’ve certainly succeeded in your goal to be an inspiration. Nothing makes me want to build something awesome more than watching your videos!
- Omin 4y agoWhat is the drawing software used at e.g. 3:50 in the video? https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4?t=230 https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4?t=230
- Youden 4y agoConcepts: https://concepts.app/en/ https://concepts.app/en/
- junkieradio 4y agoJust want to say I absolutely love your channel and it's been a huge source of motivation to work on my own hardware projects in the past, I eagerly await your next video!
- sixQuarks 4y agoAs others have already said, you’re a huge inspiration. I was trying to find interviews that you’ve done to learn more about how you came To know so much, but it looks like you’ve never really done any interviews. Any reason why?
- swighton 4y agoI’m not all that interested in advancing my personal prominence. This is why I originally didn’t even show myself in the videos
- Sporktacular 4y agoThis could be worth fighting for. If another maker uses your work to build and share an improved lock, as you did, this guy could try suing them for that, as though the basis for their work was his, ruining the spirit of openness and stunting any resulting improvement in lock design. It might be a struggle to prove prior art but you might have enough sway to be able to find a pro-bono lawyer, and/or publicly pressure or embarrass him into compromising. Patreon would almost certainly help with costs too. Seriously, you have a tremendous amount of credibility in maker/engineering communities, among others. Thank you very much for doing what you do.
- amelius 4y agoHis page says "patent pending" near the bottom. Would your work count as prior art?
- mizzao 4y agoFor others who might not have seen it, here's what the Lockpicking Lawyer had to say about that. He picked a lock with the same concept by swighton (Stuff Made Here), but exploited a flaw that had nothing to do with the mechanism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy1FBdCRbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy1FBdCRbQ I think one problem here is that the more complicated you make a locking mechanism, the more you suffer by increasing the attack surface with other potential flaws or just the lock being physically weaker (i.e. smashable). Kinda like how the most advanced cryptography is usually broken because someone made an error in the complexity of implementing it.
- dunmalg 4y agoThe other problem with increased complexity is that the more intricate your mechanism is, the more prone to failure due to wear or contamination it becomes. A security measure is only as good as it can remain usable. As a locksmith for working in the industry for 25 years, I've seen a lot of high security designs come and go, and the stuff that sticks is the stuff that's simple and reliable. The fundamental fact of locks and security is that people just don't pick locks much. The vast overwhelming majority of unauthorized accesses are via an acquired key or via bypass attacks on other aspects of the locking hardware than the keyed cylinder. To put it bluntly, all these fancy pick-proof designs people are coming up with have zero real world utility and are just toys for locksport enthusiasts to play with. EDIT: and really, I'd say all the patent discussion is moot. A patent is only useful if there's a market for your product. This product has design shortcomings that render it a non-starter for most applications, i.e. no master keying capacity, which makes it useless in any institutional setting, and a design necessity of using critical precision parts that won't handle outdoor exposure well, and a physical size that makes it incompatible with even the largest north american cylinder format. This is a product without a profitable customer base.
- hotpotamus 4y agoAs usual there's an XKCD that's relevant: https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ I assume that most people know that this is more of a hobby thing (and a cool one), but I also forget that not everyone has demolished a house with a handheld reciprocating saw.
- chaostheory 4y agoLove your videos! Of course you’re on HN
- elil17 4y agoYou can use a third party pre-issuance submission to ensure that the parent examiner considers your work as prior art during the application process. There’s no fee to file the first three documents you want to the examiner to consider. This will ensure he doesn’t get a patent which could be construed to block you from building your lock design.
- throwaway14356 4y agoI loved the way the puzzle was presented in that video and loved the partial solution. It has been consuming idle brain cycles eversince. First we should proudly make the key flat as security by obscurity is not done. We should solve the problem for real and it has to be easy to manufacture. The real idea: put a tube around the cylinder. after rotating the cylinder by 45 deg it drags the tube along. [cylinder][ tube ][case key]||||||||[ ][ ]//// [cylinder][ tube ][case you have a pin in the tube with small discs on the key side. The inner cylinder can rotate freely for 45 degrees at which point it drags the tube along IF the pin is in the correct position thereby testing the correctness of the key used therein all pins simultaneously. different keys can be had by changing the number of discs. No machining required. Have fun
- throwaway14356 4y agoExtra funny would be a second tube with a clock mechanism that delays a second attempt if the wrong key is used. (Going to implement that one on all my enter password pages.)
- jtmlis 4y agoIs it just me, or are the improvements the ones you mentioned in your react video? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjVS-g_ss84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjVS-g_ss84 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWsA22H35Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWsA22H35Y For those that did not watch it. The lock was left to be pickable on purpose. The improvements were purposely left out so LPL could pick the lock for entertainment purposes.
- YeBanKo 4y agoCould you submit your work as prior art?