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The problem with this kind of post is not, as you might surmise, that people disagree with the notion that reducing meat consumption is helpful from an emission
by zamfi 4y ago
The problem with this kind of post is not, as you might surmise, that people disagree with the notion that reducing meat consumption is helpful from an emissions perspective.
It is that the binary presentation implies an either-or when in fact both are helpful.
Plus it just shits on people and nobody likes that.
- heretogetout 4y agoIsn't the math clear that meat consumption requires more emissions than non-meat consumption, on average (as in per calorie)?
- zamfi 4y agoDid I say somewhere that meat consumption is not problematic?
- heretogetout 4y agoI'm responding to "people disagree with the notion that reducing meat consumption is helpful from an emissions perspective". People may disagree but it's like disagreeing that 100 > 1 -- who cares what they think?
- ncmncm 4y agoWhat it says is > "not ... that people disagree"
- heretogetout 4y agoRight you are...
- heretogetout 4y agoSorry, I managed to misread your comment a few times.
- nradov 4y agoYou should probably sit still and not move around too much in order to minimize the number of calories you need to stay alive. If that's the metric we're optimizing for, anyway.
- heretogetout 4y agoThis is the sort of childish reply I see when folks talk about emissions from meat consumption/production. What's next, are you going to tell me that every steak I don't eat you'll eat two more? That's a classic.
- jazzyjackson 4y agodepends on the meat and the non-meat. There is carbon-negative beef, and there are plants that require enormous amounts of artificial soil additives. Probably the biggest factor is whether the meat comes from a ranch in your general area and if the bell-pepper in your salad was flown in from holland.
- tcfhgj 4y agomeet the reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs&t=4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs&t=4s
- fortysixdegrees 4y agoGreat video. What seems obvious to those of us interested in the topic is clearly quite foreign to most people in this forum after reading the comments.
- wyre 4y agoThere is no more time left for this kind of pragmatism. It doesn’t matter it people disagree, the truth is supporting meat consumption is supporting industries that are actively killing us and the planet.
- zamfi 4y agoI assume you are being serious, but the truth is that supporting ICE vehicle sales and the fossil fuel industry as a result is supporting industries that are actively killing us and the planet also. I sure hope you bike (or drive a conflict-free electric car, I guess?) and are powered by your own solar panels if you feel this way.
- diordiderot 4y agoAHH a classic right wing gotcha https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...
- zamfi 4y agoHuh? We need to both (a) reduce emissions from transport, and (b) reduce emissions from agriculture. The parent poster was implying (presumably, because my original post was saying “we should do both” in response to a post that said “(a) is irrelevant, only (b) matters”) that anyone not doing (b) was killing the planet, and I’m pointing out here that if that’s true, anyone not doing (a) is also killing the planet. We need both! It’s not optional! Half these conversations are “ok sure but X is really all that matters!” — and that is completely false. We need to reduce or eliminate emissions from all sources, full stop.
- tcfhgj 4y agowhy do you have to have your own solar panels? doesn't make any sense to me I agree however on biking (or public transport). I will always try to live max 15-20km away from work, such that I always can use a bike or a velomobile. Please don't try to make ad hominem arguments, thanks.
- fortysixdegrees 4y agoPeople with lots of resources do the EV and solar panel thing and get sasiated. Right - box ticked, move on. Making a difference requires reducing travel, reducing the use of all heavy transport, reducing meat consumption. Solar panels are great, but you don't get let off the hook because you've gone and spent the cash to do it and be guilt free from there on
- zamfi 4y agoAgain…both are helpful.