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Similar experience, with a Surface Pro 4 many years ago. After one year it bricked but thanks god I still had the warranty and they sent another one... Am I as

Similar experience, with a Surface Pro 4 many years ago. After one year it bricked but thanks god I still had the warranty and they sent another one... Am I asking too much? I want a tablet with high precision drawing and low-latency to take notes about everything. Add an ARM processor and I'd buy it today, damn it.

Moosdijk 4y ago
You want an ipad it seems like.
- MonkeyClub 4y ago
  For me the iPad feels too constricting when you want to do anything other than consume content. But I think that's just because I'm accustomed to having direct access to files and filesystems, and the extra later of abstraction (already necessary to visually translate a filesystem) just becomes bothersome. E.g. I still need to cd and ls in a very primitive and visceral way, feel my way around the warren like a mole so to speak, even if I can just click/tap on a screen or C-x C-f. Probably how the mind gets wired with basic text UIs like the DOS and Unix command lines, before you get to stuff like Midnight Commander. Pretty weird, if you ask me, as that's more of a verbal and less than a visual way of interacting with the system, while I'm an otherwise visual person.
  - mark_l_watson 4y ago
    I have 2 iPad Pros, both sizes, two Linux laptops, and a Lenovo Duet Chromebook with Linux containers. Lots of experimenting with hardware choices. When traveling with an iPad (sometimes I take the Chromebook) I find using a SSH or Mosh client app with a remote server works very well. Your mileage may vary.
  - nicbou 4y ago
    It's great for reading, sketching and taking notes. It's not a development machine, though some people try really hard to make it so. I never found a good solution, so I pack my iPad Mini and my Macbook. I just need stronger legs.
nicbou 4y ago
I tried a Surface Go 2 then bought the latest iPad Mini. There's truly no equal for doing tablet stuff.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  > There's truly no equal for doing tablet stuff. Lenovo X1 Fold: it's so small it's always with me. Great keyboard, OLED screen. I use it with a regular Thinkpad bluetooth keyboard for terminal work. I'm now working on the Linux support now that I got the ACPI S01x fixed under Windows.
  - girvo 4y ago
    Oh that’s exciting to hear; I’ve always been a fan of some of their products but sometimes the hardware support under Linux is lacking for their more modern devices. Cool to see someone tackling it!
    - csdvrx 4y ago
      > I’ve always been a fan of some of their products Same! > Cool to see someone tackling it! Just FYI, the last showstopper was the touchscreen. It's now working great with quo's driver (from the surface-linux project). If you use Ubuntu 22 and this driver, you just need some kernel cmdline option for X to avoid some minor display corruption. Like I did for Windows11 on https://csdvrx.github.io/ https://csdvrx.github.io/ I aim to write down everything to get a great Linux experience on the Fold.
  - nicbou 4y ago
    By tablet stuff, I mean reading, taking notes and sketching. No app ecosystem does it like iPad OS'. The problem with the Surface Go isn't the hardware, but the fact that it runs Windows, a system that just isn't made for these things. The most ridiculous part was being forced to "save or discard" drawings before I could close an app. I had to painstakingly pick a location and name for each file. It felt like using Photoshop, not a notebook. Every app sucked in a different way. In contrast, most iOS ones are decent to great, and there are far more options for readers. That's on top of the regular Windows problems. I spent the first day just doing updates and disabling bloat. As a tablet OS, it's incredibly clunky. I didn't get to the part where it wakes itself up and fries itself to death in my laptop bag, but I heard that it's still an issue. The iPad was so much better at its task that it's not even funny. Now I take my iPad everywhere, and if I intend to do more work, I pack my Macbook. It's not heavy enough to make me consider Windows ever again. However, I'd consider an old 12" Macbook to shave a kilo off when I travel.
hutzlibu 4y ago
"Am I asking too much? I want a tablet with high precision drawing and low-latency to take notes about everything" This is actually quite much. Low latency means high powered hardware and all of that in a slim, passive cooled fanless design, bundled with the best possible display avaiable. I don't see how one can ask for more ... (but I actually want the same)
- pbhjpbhj 4y ago
  I have a Surface Pro 7, honestly it's pretty good; I didn't buy it though. When I first had it the responsiveness and accuracy for drawing were great, but the lines all wiggle now -- there's a simple calibration that I think will fix it, but that's locked down by our IT department for reasons. If the wiggle were fixed I'd have almost no complaints (except the prices to me are eye-watering, I have the oem dock and keyboard cover too; also Windows is so awful as a window manager).
- coder543 4y ago
  There are quite a few iPads that meet this exact set of requirements.
- solardev 4y ago
  Is that really that high of a bar? A bunch of Apple tablets and Samsung phones offer those features, as did Wacom tablets a decade ago. There are even (relatively) low latency inkable e-ink devices.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    It is a high bar, when you are seriously drawing on a tablet, you want really low latency. But yes, there are devices which are quite good. But ideally I also would want a linux one.

Moosdijk 4y ago

You want an ipad it seems like.

MonkeyClub 4y ago
For me the iPad feels too constricting when you want to do anything other than consume content. But I think that's just because I'm accustomed to having direct access to files and filesystems, and the extra later of abstraction (already necessary to visually translate a filesystem) just becomes bothersome. E.g. I still need to cd and ls in a very primitive and visceral way, feel my way around the warren like a mole so to speak, even if I can just click/tap on a screen or C-x C-f. Probably how the mind gets wired with basic text UIs like the DOS and Unix command lines, before you get to stuff like Midnight Commander. Pretty weird, if you ask me, as that's more of a verbal and less than a visual way of interacting with the system, while I'm an otherwise visual person.
- mark_l_watson 4y ago
  I have 2 iPad Pros, both sizes, two Linux laptops, and a Lenovo Duet Chromebook with Linux containers. Lots of experimenting with hardware choices. When traveling with an iPad (sometimes I take the Chromebook) I find using a SSH or Mosh client app with a remote server works very well. Your mileage may vary.
- nicbou 4y ago
  It's great for reading, sketching and taking notes. It's not a development machine, though some people try really hard to make it so. I never found a good solution, so I pack my iPad Mini and my Macbook. I just need stronger legs.

nicbou 4y ago

I tried a Surface Go 2 then bought the latest iPad Mini. There's truly no equal for doing tablet stuff.

csdvrx 4y ago
> There's truly no equal for doing tablet stuff. Lenovo X1 Fold: it's so small it's always with me. Great keyboard, OLED screen. I use it with a regular Thinkpad bluetooth keyboard for terminal work. I'm now working on the Linux support now that I got the ACPI S01x fixed under Windows.
- girvo 4y ago
  Oh that’s exciting to hear; I’ve always been a fan of some of their products but sometimes the hardware support under Linux is lacking for their more modern devices. Cool to see someone tackling it!
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    > I’ve always been a fan of some of their products Same! > Cool to see someone tackling it! Just FYI, the last showstopper was the touchscreen. It's now working great with quo's driver (from the surface-linux project). If you use Ubuntu 22 and this driver, you just need some kernel cmdline option for X to avoid some minor display corruption. Like I did for Windows11 on https://csdvrx.github.io/ https://csdvrx.github.io/ I aim to write down everything to get a great Linux experience on the Fold.
- nicbou 4y ago
  By tablet stuff, I mean reading, taking notes and sketching. No app ecosystem does it like iPad OS'. The problem with the Surface Go isn't the hardware, but the fact that it runs Windows, a system that just isn't made for these things. The most ridiculous part was being forced to "save or discard" drawings before I could close an app. I had to painstakingly pick a location and name for each file. It felt like using Photoshop, not a notebook. Every app sucked in a different way. In contrast, most iOS ones are decent to great, and there are far more options for readers. That's on top of the regular Windows problems. I spent the first day just doing updates and disabling bloat. As a tablet OS, it's incredibly clunky. I didn't get to the part where it wakes itself up and fries itself to death in my laptop bag, but I heard that it's still an issue. The iPad was so much better at its task that it's not even funny. Now I take my iPad everywhere, and if I intend to do more work, I pack my Macbook. It's not heavy enough to make me consider Windows ever again. However, I'd consider an old 12" Macbook to shave a kilo off when I travel.

hutzlibu 4y ago

"Am I asking too much? I want a tablet with high precision drawing and low-latency to take notes about everything" This is actually quite much. Low latency means high powered hardware and all of that in a slim, passive cooled fanless design, bundled with the best possible display avaiable. I don't see how one can ask for more ... (but I actually want the same)

pbhjpbhj 4y ago
I have a Surface Pro 7, honestly it's pretty good; I didn't buy it though. When I first had it the responsiveness and accuracy for drawing were great, but the lines all wiggle now -- there's a simple calibration that I think will fix it, but that's locked down by our IT department for reasons. If the wiggle were fixed I'd have almost no complaints (except the prices to me are eye-watering, I have the oem dock and keyboard cover too; also Windows is so awful as a window manager).
coder543 4y ago
There are quite a few iPads that meet this exact set of requirements.
solardev 4y ago
Is that really that high of a bar? A bunch of Apple tablets and Samsung phones offer those features, as did Wacom tablets a decade ago. There are even (relatively) low latency inkable e-ink devices.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  It is a high bar, when you are seriously drawing on a tablet, you want really low latency. But yes, there are devices which are quite good. But ideally I also would want a linux one.