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You are supporting wrong type of Ukraine migrants - we talk about country where average monthly wage was around 300-400$ last time I checked. Given its for comp

You are supporting wrong type of Ukraine migrants - we talk about country where average monthly wage was around 300-400$ last time I checked. Given its for completely different cost situation, but there were literally millions of Ukraine economical migrants all over Europe before the war, mostly the eastern part, working for much less than the amount you mention.

anovikov 4y ago
Simply because in Ukraine, no one lives on their salary. People hustle. Look at the famous photos of bombed-out Ukrainian places where people were tortured. Pay attention to the architecture, cars, everything. These are anything but poor, dilapidated places with people willing to work for food as the official stats may picture things. And people who worked abroad are just the unfortunate ones, the underclass, just as it is in Mexico: those who illegally cross to the U.S. are those who couldn't make it at home (often because of discrimination/racism yes). One looking at the desperate Mexicans doing hard work for almost nothing in the U.S. may assume that Mexico is a very poor place - which it isn't. Now, as the war started, it's the common - much more well-to-do - Ukrainians who started leaving the country, and they already enjoyed much better living standards than people abroad imagined. Ukraine is much like the rest of Eastern Europe - uneven, fragile, but in general a wide middle class society. It's done with widespread poverty. It's just that vast majority of that wealth is undocumented, and Ukrainian financial infrastructure makes owning, investing and moving undocumented wealth easy. People there have no idea what taxes are. Most never paid anything and don't know how it's done. And sure, it results in corruption, for which Ukraine is famous.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  What you're describing is the truth in basically every country with a similar income. The point still stands.
  - anovikov 4y ago
    I don't (quite) agree with it. Slovakia feels like a place where people live on their salary alone. Lithuania too. But yes.
    - sudosysgen 4y ago
      Slovakia and Lithuania have 5x the GDP per capita of Ukraine. I'm specifically talking about countries with similar economic conditions, like perhaps Moldova or Morocco, or perhaps even Bulgaria.

anovikov 4y ago

Simply because in Ukraine, no one lives on their salary. People hustle. Look at the famous photos of bombed-out Ukrainian places where people were tortured. Pay attention to the architecture, cars, everything. These are anything but poor, dilapidated places with people willing to work for food as the official stats may picture things. And people who worked abroad are just the unfortunate ones, the underclass, just as it is in Mexico: those who illegally cross to the U.S. are those who couldn't make it at home (often because of discrimination/racism yes). One looking at the desperate Mexicans doing hard work for almost nothing in the U.S. may assume that Mexico is a very poor place - which it isn't. Now, as the war started, it's the common - much more well-to-do - Ukrainians who started leaving the country, and they already enjoyed much better living standards than people abroad imagined. Ukraine is much like the rest of Eastern Europe - uneven, fragile, but in general a wide middle class society. It's done with widespread poverty. It's just that vast majority of that wealth is undocumented, and Ukrainian financial infrastructure makes owning, investing and moving undocumented wealth easy. People there have no idea what taxes are. Most never paid anything and don't know how it's done. And sure, it results in corruption, for which Ukraine is famous.

sudosysgen 4y ago
What you're describing is the truth in basically every country with a similar income. The point still stands.
- anovikov 4y ago
  I don't (quite) agree with it. Slovakia feels like a place where people live on their salary alone. Lithuania too. But yes.
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    Slovakia and Lithuania have 5x the GDP per capita of Ukraine. I'm specifically talking about countries with similar economic conditions, like perhaps Moldova or Morocco, or perhaps even Bulgaria.