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Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Comp

Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Companies would have to provide alternatives unless they want to limit their hiring to red state natives. Good argument for wfh to get talent that just won’t go there. Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both are no-no’s under the new regime. And miscarriages and stillbirths are going to be a legal minefield there.

abernard1 4y ago
I suspect, having had a long career in tech, no one of import will care. "The Industry" is an embarrassment. It is lazy, incompetent, and would be drowning if not for its oligopoly status. Companies who produce useful software will win out over the lackadaisical tech culture that exists today. What the people bemoaning this decision should worry about is the regulatory backlash against technology--coming from the right--which they totally ignored and pretended was not possible. This decision is a precursor to that inevitability.
- jleyank 4y ago
  Err, having had a long career in tech, I’ve found that companies like to hire younger people. Those who might be sexually active, considering starting families and trying to balance career requirement vs pregnancies. Such as young professors, rising developers, pretty much every aspect of stem. While the regulatory backlash is a concern, I would think that attracting or keeping staff is a larger concern.
  - abernard1 4y ago
    And I, having seen Austin, TX grow from a laughingstock to an industry powerhouse, find your points humorous. There is a very big elephant in the room for where people are moving. And those people are young. And those people do not have the belief monoculture that has existed prior. Smaller elephant in the room #2 is that cost pressures and globalism don't care about the opinions of the traditional PMC that has reigned supreme when tech was on the upswing.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      PMC?
      - PebblesRox 4y ago
        I think it stands for Professional Managerial Class. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional%E2%80%93managerial_class https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional%E2%80%93manager...
    - wonnage 4y ago
      Austin is a long way from being a "tech powerhouse"
      - abernard1 4y ago
        Well, perhaps. But at least when they had homeless people dying on the streets and shit all over the place, they finally cleaned it up in a little over a year. One may ask how many decades it takes for that to happen in the places all the imports are from.
    - minhazm 4y ago
      Take a look at the voting numbers for Austin, TX. It's overwhelmingly democrat. 71% of Travis County votes were for Joe Biden[1]. The people moving to Austin are no different from the people that moved to San Francisco or Seattle in the first place. [1] https://countyclerk.traviscountytx.gov/wp-content/uploads/elections/pdfs/election_results/2020.11.03/G20%20Cumulative%20final.pdf https://countyclerk.traviscountytx.gov/wp-content/uploads/el...
      - abernard1 4y ago
        Dude, you do not understand Texas Democrats. And Texas Democrats do not understand you. If they did, frankly, they would not vote the way they do. There is a type of cultural elitism, and a freeness that Austin voters have that is not indicative of the SF or Seattle voters. People who have been there any appreciable amount of time understand how much Austin leftists actually dislike the imports.
kjfdpoisfjkds 4y ago
imgabe 4y ago
> Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both are no-no’s under the new regime. Do you have any examples of specific laws of in any states that would make contraception or IVF illegal? Most pro-life people are very supportive of IVF as they are all about people having more babies. Many states with anti-abortion laws also have laws explicitly making surrogacy legal (which requires IVF).
- jleyank 4y ago
  Every state that defines life begins at conception rather than heartbeat or viability. The supremes already mentioned contraception and ivf willingly discards embryos that are not needed.
  - imgabe 4y ago
    The supreme court doesn't write laws, they only interpret them. Laws are very specifically written and often include enumerated exceptions and specific scenarios. They don't just say "Life begins at conception and that's that".
    - jleyank 4y ago
      Oklahoma has proposed. Supremes removed all limits on laws. “Not mentioned in constitution” applies to all sorts of things.
      - imgabe 4y ago
        > Though the bill considers a pregnancy to begin at fertilization, and not implantation, the bill does not restrict the use of forms of contraception that prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a uterus. According to the bill, abortion "does not include the use, prescription, administration, procuring, or selling of Plan B, morning-after pills, or any other type of contraception or emergency contraception." It doesn't mention anything about IVF, but as that doesn't involve an abortion procedure it would probably not be affected either. The bill does not propose what you're saying it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-hb-4327-passed/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortio...
mch82 4y ago
> suspect that states will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. This is part of the stated plan: “Josh Hawley says abortion ruling will push people to move states, strengthening the GOP” https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article262849238.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article2... The sad thing is this comes right as remote work has the potential to do the opposite: bring Americans closer together by allowing more opportunity in states people have been leaving for decades in order to seek opportunity in tech and other industries.
- codemonkey-zeta 4y ago
  I don't think remote work would result in bringing us together at all, quite the opposite actually. Frankly, the existing populations in the states people have been leaving for decades are very culturally different than your average remote worker. The local population will see this as cultural colonialism by coastal elites, and the remote workers will wonder why they aren't welcomed, all while driving up local house prices/rents, overtaxing the already crumbling infrastructure, and causing those places to lose their "local charm". Not saying I agree with either perspective, but I think it's very naive to assume WFH could unite the increasingly polarized american peoples.
  - mch82 4y ago
    Valid point. There are certainly negative scenarios and those need to be considered seriously. I was born in a “conservative state”. For me, it wouldn’t be cultural colonialism but, rather, moving home. For my cousins and friends who are just starting their careers, it’s an opportunity (I didn’t have) to continue to live and work locally. My assumption is that there are more people in my situation than people motivated to migrate away from their home town with the intent of colonizing other places. Certainly possible my assumption is wrong.
- alar44 4y ago
  No way. A ton of people, myself included, sees wfh as a ticket out of regressive hellholes.
renewedrebecca 4y ago
Contraceptives prevent fertilization, not implantation. Of course that doesn't matter when legislators are not required to not lie in legislation.
astockwell 4y ago
“Prove you had a miscarriage“ Shudders Sounds a lot like “if she floats she’s a witch”
- dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
  Essentially a summary of the world at large.

abernard1 4y ago

I suspect, having had a long career in tech, no one of import will care. "The Industry" is an embarrassment. It is lazy, incompetent, and would be drowning if not for its oligopoly status. Companies who produce useful software will win out over the lackadaisical tech culture that exists today. What the people bemoaning this decision should worry about is the regulatory backlash against technology--coming from the right--which they totally ignored and pretended was not possible. This decision is a precursor to that inevitability.

jleyank 4y ago
Err, having had a long career in tech, I’ve found that companies like to hire younger people. Those who might be sexually active, considering starting families and trying to balance career requirement vs pregnancies. Such as young professors, rising developers, pretty much every aspect of stem. While the regulatory backlash is a concern, I would think that attracting or keeping staff is a larger concern.
- abernard1 4y ago
  And I, having seen Austin, TX grow from a laughingstock to an industry powerhouse, find your points humorous. There is a very big elephant in the room for where people are moving. And those people are young. And those people do not have the belief monoculture that has existed prior. Smaller elephant in the room #2 is that cost pressures and globalism don't care about the opinions of the traditional PMC that has reigned supreme when tech was on the upswing.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    PMC?
    - PebblesRox 4y ago
      I think it stands for Professional Managerial Class. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional%E2%80%93managerial_class https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional%E2%80%93manager...
  - wonnage 4y ago
    Austin is a long way from being a "tech powerhouse"
    - abernard1 4y ago
      Well, perhaps. But at least when they had homeless people dying on the streets and shit all over the place, they finally cleaned it up in a little over a year. One may ask how many decades it takes for that to happen in the places all the imports are from.
  - minhazm 4y ago
    Take a look at the voting numbers for Austin, TX. It's overwhelmingly democrat. 71% of Travis County votes were for Joe Biden[1]. The people moving to Austin are no different from the people that moved to San Francisco or Seattle in the first place. [1] https://countyclerk.traviscountytx.gov/wp-content/uploads/elections/pdfs/election_results/2020.11.03/G20%20Cumulative%20final.pdf https://countyclerk.traviscountytx.gov/wp-content/uploads/el...
    - abernard1 4y ago
      Dude, you do not understand Texas Democrats. And Texas Democrats do not understand you. If they did, frankly, they would not vote the way they do. There is a type of cultural elitism, and a freeness that Austin voters have that is not indicative of the SF or Seattle voters. People who have been there any appreciable amount of time understand how much Austin leftists actually dislike the imports.

kjfdpoisfjkds 4y ago

imgabe 4y ago

> Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both are no-no’s under the new regime. Do you have any examples of specific laws of in any states that would make contraception or IVF illegal? Most pro-life people are very supportive of IVF as they are all about people having more babies. Many states with anti-abortion laws also have laws explicitly making surrogacy legal (which requires IVF).

jleyank 4y ago
Every state that defines life begins at conception rather than heartbeat or viability. The supremes already mentioned contraception and ivf willingly discards embryos that are not needed.
- imgabe 4y ago
  The supreme court doesn't write laws, they only interpret them. Laws are very specifically written and often include enumerated exceptions and specific scenarios. They don't just say "Life begins at conception and that's that".
  - jleyank 4y ago
    Oklahoma has proposed. Supremes removed all limits on laws. “Not mentioned in constitution” applies to all sorts of things.
    - imgabe 4y ago
      > Though the bill considers a pregnancy to begin at fertilization, and not implantation, the bill does not restrict the use of forms of contraception that prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a uterus. According to the bill, abortion "does not include the use, prescription, administration, procuring, or selling of Plan B, morning-after pills, or any other type of contraception or emergency contraception." It doesn't mention anything about IVF, but as that doesn't involve an abortion procedure it would probably not be affected either. The bill does not propose what you're saying it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-hb-4327-passed/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortio...

mch82 4y ago

> suspect that states will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. This is part of the stated plan: “Josh Hawley says abortion ruling will push people to move states, strengthening the GOP” https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article262849238.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article2... The sad thing is this comes right as remote work has the potential to do the opposite: bring Americans closer together by allowing more opportunity in states people have been leaving for decades in order to seek opportunity in tech and other industries.

codemonkey-zeta 4y ago
I don't think remote work would result in bringing us together at all, quite the opposite actually. Frankly, the existing populations in the states people have been leaving for decades are very culturally different than your average remote worker. The local population will see this as cultural colonialism by coastal elites, and the remote workers will wonder why they aren't welcomed, all while driving up local house prices/rents, overtaxing the already crumbling infrastructure, and causing those places to lose their "local charm". Not saying I agree with either perspective, but I think it's very naive to assume WFH could unite the increasingly polarized american peoples.
- mch82 4y ago
  Valid point. There are certainly negative scenarios and those need to be considered seriously. I was born in a “conservative state”. For me, it wouldn’t be cultural colonialism but, rather, moving home. For my cousins and friends who are just starting their careers, it’s an opportunity (I didn’t have) to continue to live and work locally. My assumption is that there are more people in my situation than people motivated to migrate away from their home town with the intent of colonizing other places. Certainly possible my assumption is wrong.
alar44 4y ago
No way. A ton of people, myself included, sees wfh as a ticket out of regressive hellholes.

renewedrebecca 4y ago

Contraceptives prevent fertilization, not implantation. Of course that doesn't matter when legislators are not required to not lie in legislation.

astockwell 4y ago

“Prove you had a miscarriage“ Shudders Sounds a lot like “if she floats she’s a witch”

dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
Essentially a summary of the world at large.