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Just think about what you're claiming here with this silly question. You honestly think Moderna patented a sequence multiple years ago, and then what, shared

Just think about what you're claiming here with this silly question. You honestly think Moderna patented a sequence multiple years ago, and then what, shared their research with the Chinese to unleash a virus and create demand for a vaccine they hadn't invented yet? Why in the world would they patent it before that? It's literally the dumbest nonsense. A more direct refutation though is that the authors were extremely out of their depth and didn't remotely understand the results from their BLASTing. The moderna sequence is the reverse complement and doesn't even encode proteins. In the DNA repair context for which Moderna the patent covers, it codes for a specific (Non FCS protein) and can even be found in birds. Did Moderna invent birds too? https://twitter.com/emmecola/status/1468569894245572612 https://twitter.com/emmecola/status/1468569894245572612 https://twitter.com/MGerdol/status/1496130768854212624 https://twitter.com/MGerdol/status/1496130768854212624

Iwan-Zotow 4y ago
Patent, by definition, is shared and public knowledge (but not a public ownership)
nostrebored 4y ago
Yes, Chinese academia and business has no history of IP theft! To be clear I agree with the rest of your sentiment. I think the nucleotide sequence as evidence is very weak. It’s the same amount of randomness as a 42 bit sequence assuming independence in both
YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
> Did Moderna invent birds too? Maybe they did... https://birdsarentreal.com/ https://birdsarentreal.com/
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  No. This is how you end up with flat earthers.
salawat 4y ago
...The entire point of patents is the spread of knowledge. What, you think researchers, people that are by definition expected to be well acquainted with the cutting edge state of the art, aren't trolling patent streams for inspiration? I'm not even that much a cutting edge guy (I try to bring yesterday's innovation that no one noticed to people not even aware they should be looking at it) and I dig through the odd patent that catches my interest.
tomp 4y ago
Thanks for a sensible counterargument!
kaitaincps 4y ago
Also: Even the founders of Moderna would have had their lives made worse overall by SARS-COV-2. Money and utility are different things. They and their families now live in a shittier world. Even a (rational) psychopath would not gain overall from unleashing COVID on the world. Nobody wins.

Iwan-Zotow 4y ago

Patent, by definition, is shared and public knowledge (but not a public ownership)

nostrebored 4y ago

Yes, Chinese academia and business has no history of IP theft! To be clear I agree with the rest of your sentiment. I think the nucleotide sequence as evidence is very weak. It’s the same amount of randomness as a 42 bit sequence assuming independence in both

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago

> Did Moderna invent birds too? Maybe they did... https://birdsarentreal.com/ https://birdsarentreal.com/

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
No. This is how you end up with flat earthers.

salawat 4y ago

...The entire point of patents is the spread of knowledge. What, you think researchers, people that are by definition expected to be well acquainted with the cutting edge state of the art, aren't trolling patent streams for inspiration? I'm not even that much a cutting edge guy (I try to bring yesterday's innovation that no one noticed to people not even aware they should be looking at it) and I dig through the odd patent that catches my interest.

tomp 4y ago

Thanks for a sensible counterargument!

kaitaincps 4y ago

Also: Even the founders of Moderna would have had their lives made worse overall by SARS-COV-2. Money and utility are different things. They and their families now live in a shittier world. Even a (rational) psychopath would not gain overall from unleashing COVID on the world. Nobody wins.